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America Is Missing The New Labor Economy – Robotics Part 1

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Re: America Is Missing The New Labor Economy – Robotics Part 1

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We can eventually automate our economy by buying software and hardware from China. By electing Trump, we basically missed the chance to lead on anything, and instead decided to engage full time in trade and culture wars that aren't really going to yield anything. But as long as the work gets done, even if in China, we should be able to enjoy it.

Indeed, no one sane will invest in building factory systems on US soil under a Kakistocracy. Robot platforms are already a difficult business model in the private sector. With the exception of robot vacuums the market just isn't viable in the US yet. Best of luck =3

Consumer robotics, maybe - but commercial robotics has been a critical component of (for instance) Amazon’s fulfillment infrastructure.

Re: America Is Missing The New Labor Economy – Robotics Part 1

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Keynes wrote about how this can be done, while kicking the can down the road. Basically debt of all types, and government spending. For the US this would be military expenditures and social welfare for the elderly. Of course the can can only be kicked down the road so far. So to answer your question more in depth, there was a German exile in England who wrote a book answering this question back in 1867.

And yet the revolutions he inspired end up (in many ways) more dystopian than the capitalism they seek to replace..

So what? People have been misinterpreting and misusing knowledge, realizations, and stories since basically forever. That doesn't make the original works worthless or any less insightful. You would be hard pressed to link most of the policies of communist nations to things Marx said or advocated for. The vast majority of Marx's works is pointing out flaws in capitalism, not prescribing policies to use instead.

Re: America Is Missing The New Labor Economy – Robotics Part 1

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The plight of the poor is not an economic problem it is purely a political one. Progress in technology isn't really a root cause of poverty, rather a proximate cause with the root cause being "because the fruits of technology are not adequately shared by government policy", a policy issue. Tax the billionaires and do what government is supposed to do (use that money to protect the safety of their people), it won't ma…

Economics is inherently political. The original (and more descriptive) term for the subject is "political economy".

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Re: America Is Missing The New Labor Economy – Robotics Part 1

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The plight of the poor is not an economic problem it is purely a political one. Progress in technology isn't really a root cause of poverty, rather a proximate cause with the root cause being "because the fruits of technology are not adequately shared by government policy", a policy issue. Tax the billionaires and do what government is supposed to do (use that money to protect the safety of their people), it won't ma…

Economics is inherently political. The original (and more descriptive) term for the subject is "political economy".

> Economics is inherently political.

Yes? The political policies will have an impact on the economy.

Re: America Is Missing The New Labor Economy – Robotics Part 1

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You could also ... try not to make war. Just an idea. Pretty offputting actually to see someone supporting expansion being upvoted.

No one is trying to make war, but naturally China is looking at changing the order of things, at least regionally. To make that happen it needs USA to move out, and create its own coalition of countries around the area.

USA needs to move out and stop trying to start a war with China. Taiwan is China. Historically, legally, even according to the US's own policy. The KMT lost. This fantasy the US has of toppling or splitting up the PRC in a proxy war is extremely deranged.

China has exercised incredible restraint over the actions of a belligerent warmonger US.

Re: America Is Missing The New Labor Economy – Robotics Part 1

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It seems Honda just decided to produce the next Civic in Indiana. See [1]. [1] https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/honda-...

"Just decided" =/= decided today. They decided months if not years ago, after months of negotiations with local authorities. Don't look at plants opening now to judge the current administration. Look at it 2 years from now.

Its not a new plant. I drove by it several months ago on I-74. Its been there awhile.

Re: America Is Missing The New Labor Economy – Robotics Part 1

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Most participants in mature markets know approximately what percentage of the public's wallet they can grab. Obviously it's not 100% for any of them, but they all know what they can get away with. My guess is that if UBI added $1,000/mo to everyone's income, landlords would respond by raising rent by about $400-$500 or so, grocery stores would raise their prices by a percentage of that new income, and so on for all b…

> My guess is that if UBI added $1,000/mo to everyone's income Aside from whether the prediction is realistic under this assumption, UBI under any realistic financing scheme doesn't do that . It replaces (and potentially increases the net benefit of) means-tested welfare at the bottom end of the income distribution and spreads the clawback from a set of relatively sharp cliffs that occur between working poor and midd…

Has anyone considered something like UBI but instead of income make it UBG--Universal Basic Goods.

The idea would be that when automation advances to the point that something can be made with very little labor the government would build automated factories to produce that thing and make the output available for free.

There would still be room for private companies to make those things too. They could make fancier or higher end models for those people who want something more than the free models from the government.

Re: America Is Missing The New Labor Economy – Robotics Part 1

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China has been methodically preparing for trade war and decoupling for the better part of the decade. US went in full throttle with zero preparation. This is not going to end well.

It’s the only way the US will learn.

Politics and propaganda tend to dominate national "learning", and those forces tend to escalate to prevent awareness. So not a lot of learning happens, historically ("history tends to repeat itself"; "history doesn't repeat, but it rhymes", etc)

Re: America Is Missing The New Labor Economy – Robotics Part 1

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You could also ... try not to make war. Just an idea. Pretty offputting actually to see someone supporting expansion being upvoted.

No one is trying to make war, but naturally China is looking at changing the order of things, at least regionally. To make that happen it needs USA to move out, and create its own coalition of countries around the area.

America seems to be trying to make war, unexpectedly with Canada. Also, the only coalition America seems to be interested in is the one with Russia.

Also, multiple foreign countries like Russia are trying to make war right now.

Re: America Is Missing The New Labor Economy – Robotics Part 1

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Who will buy the phones when no one is paid to produce them? The cars? The food and the clothes? Wealth keeps concentrating upward, great leaps in efficiency and throughput, but I can't see how it's a sustainable model for continued consumption growth year after year.

Why are manufacturing jobs special? People will upgrade their tastes to consume more. Middle class houses with artistic stone work and well-manicured gardens. Skin treatments, massages, and health scans galore. More entertainment and more niche too. Banking apps that could win design awards. We are nowhere near the end of useful work.

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