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Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Trump is really a disgusting human being. I'm not a US citizen but this looks an awful lot like treason -- he is actively helping an enemy of the state.

He is saving American money for American people as was promised. You just don't like the fact that the world is heading towards de-globalisation because of whatever other political belief you have that you aren't sharing like most people here.

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post #642

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Trump just wants the war to end. Ukraine doesn't want to surrender a chunk of its territory under bad terms, so they won't make a deal. Putin is more than happy to take a deal that means they win. Trump thinks that if he weakens Ukraine then they'll be more willing to take a bad deal. He also doesn't like Ukraine or Zelenskyy, so has no particular desire to do them a favour.

> doesn't want to surrender a chunk of its territory It is not about a chunk of the territory.

Exactly. For Ukraine, a peace treaty now that allows Russia to regroup and invade again in N years is not really helpful.

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#773
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post #273

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"Trump is an alien impersonator trying to destroy humanity from within to make it easier for the aliens to colonize earth" That is also a probable explanation for what's happening, if you believe in UFOs and aliens. Sorry, I mean no disrespect. As a non-american and non-westerner, it's absolutely wild to see what people are willing to believe when it comes to Trump. Surely, there's a more rational and simple explanat…

Perhaps you have thought of one? If so, the rest of us are dying to hear it.

My personal farfetched alternative theory is the "Earth X" theory.

Earth X was a comic (lol) with one interesting idea — if enough people preceive "A" as "B", "A" becomes "B".

In the case of Trump, he despises the left wing camp for kicking him off Twitter and prosecuting him. As such he takes their nightmares that they believed in term one and makes them real as personal revenge. For an old man, it is no doubt the most satisfying possible end of his life possible.

Far fetched but more realistic than "He's being blackmailed". Do you really believe the man has any shame?

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> hysterical leftists How so? As an European and quite pro-US for a long time, i have turned quite sharply against, for example, buying US weapons.

We would love to see Europe develop a military spine for once, I’m excited to see how long it takes before they come crawling back under the wing of the US.

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#777

I think this from French senator Claude Malhuret sums it up: This is a tragedy for the free world, but it’s first and foremost a tragedy for the United States. [President Donald] Trump’s message is that being his ally serves no purpose, because he will not defend you, he will impose more tariffs on you than on his enemies, and he will threaten to seize your territories, while supporting the dictators who invade you.…

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US Department of Defense article from 2019:

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/20...

>In 2016, the U.S. and Ukraine agreed to a 5-year concept of partnership that focuses on developing a robust and capable Ukranian military and reforming the Ukrainian defense sector to be in line with NATO standards and principles.

...and a lot more. There are five main points.

The point is, the US was heavily actively involved in Ukraine for decades. They were not a bystander.

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#778

Who would have thought that the POTUS would be the person to kick foreign arms industries into sixth gear?

He has been pretty vocal about exactly that. He said multiple times that European countries must increase defense budgets significantly.

Yes. To buy more American weapons.

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#779

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That been said. Historically US got strong by screwing over its allies. For example to the UK during the second World War.

What specifically are you referring to during the WW2? I'm sure it wasn't always black and white, but I think in general the US and western Europe were fairly good allies. Personally I think the reason the US got strong, especially economically, is because of stability, rule of law, global trade and economy of scale due to large enough population. Not because of specific incidents of screwing someone.

> Personally I think the reason the US got strong, especially economically, is because of stability, rule of law, global trade and economy of scale due to large enough population. Not because of specific incidents of screwing someone.

(WWII^W) The US has had free reign to screw with dozens of countries since the end of WWII. And they did. But it wasn’t your[1] country so then it doesn’t count. Which is high school clique logic.

[1] Except if you were a politically active left-wing organizer post-WWII. Then the US and government-backed groups in Europe could have screwed with you through Operation Gladio, for example in Italy.[2]

[2] This is just an example. And I’m not terribly educated on the matter. I can’t learn about this by watching the tellie. So it takes more effort than the stupor that a slogan like 100 years of building trust hints at.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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post #129

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NATO as has existed is already over. Nobody has any faith that the US will follow through on its Article 5 obligations.

I'd say it's on hold for four years till they get a new president. In the meanwhile I guess the other members will have to try to manage.

It would be delusional to think that this can be patched up with a new president, or that any of America's former allies will be willing to wait around twirling their thumbs, hoping that the next time America flips a coin, it turns out better.

The relationship is over. Maybe in 4 years America can start making some initial steps towards patching things up, but even that seems increasingly unlikely at this point.

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