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US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by moduspol »

Vilian wrote: post #435
moduspol wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually we just want the war in Ukraine to end. Hope that helps. There's a lot of bloviating from the chattering class about cozying up to Russia, but I've yet to hear a cogent alternative. And no, I don't think "endlessly funding Ukraine to a forever stalemate" qualifies.

I don't want to see Ukrainian genocide by Russia, hope that help

I don't think any of us do. And they'll take your donations either way, so I don't think that's in question.

What's your plan that results in Russia giving up the territory they've claimed and heading home?

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Post by yannis »

ta988 wrote: post #228

And the story continues. This means that no country will want to buy F16s. If you don't get support they are useless. They are eroding really fast the US shine and trust in the world. This is going to have a massive effect on the US economy, internal consumption will not save it. This is the end of an empire while its rich kings are golfing every weekend on the taxpayer dime using federal and local resources. I am re…

>no country will want to buy F16s

US needs to diversify and have an industrial policy. It also needs to rethink capitalism. Maybe new capitalism with US characteristics and more humanism thrown in. As to the defense industry it needs to shrink and be part of the industrial policy, not depend on warmongering to exist. You can have peace and a defiance industry without wars.

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Post by petre »

ta988 wrote: post #228

And the story continues. This means that no country will want to buy F16s. If you don't get support they are useless. They are eroding really fast the US shine and trust in the world. This is going to have a massive effect on the US economy, internal consumption will not save it. This is the end of an empire while its rich kings are golfing every weekend on the taxpayer dime using federal and local resources. I am re…

We will buy tge Dassault Rafale, thank you.

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Post by billmcneale »

ta988 wrote: post #228

And the story continues. This means that no country will want to buy F16s. If you don't get support they are useless. They are eroding really fast the US shine and trust in the world. This is going to have a massive effect on the US economy, internal consumption will not save it. This is the end of an empire while its rich kings are golfing every weekend on the taxpayer dime using federal and local resources. I am re…

> they have proven already that other's interests do not matter for them

I disagree. Their interests matter greatly to them, they are just totally unequipped to understand who, and what, they are voting for.

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Post by fifilura »

gip wrote: post #599
addicted wrote: post #578

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can any reasonable national leader justify building their military on American systems anymore? Especially now that the U.S. government is also talking about not living up to its NATO obligations. This is not gonna hurt the rest of the world. Defense is where the U.S. exports a lot. So cutting back on U.S. weaponry will only help other nations. The same is true of Tech. Currently the tech industry is global, but…

Totally agree that Trump is trading long-term dominance for short-term gains. I think that in a few months, we will see the U.S. economy doing very well and somehow rebuilding its industrial base. In the long term, U.S. influence and wealth will make up a much smaller share of the world’s wealth than it does today.

He does not rule out recession. Why do you think the US economy will be doing very well because of his policies?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...

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Post by zapnuk »

Let's assume a Russian asset somehow becomes President of the USA.

What would he have done? How would he weaken the USA and strengthen Russia?

At this point, I don't see a difference between Trump + GOP (leaders) and actual traitors.

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Post by bigyabai »

jacquesm wrote: post #606

Today your aircraft, tomorrow all your mobile phones. I'm pretty sure those could all be remote bricked.

Nuh uh! Hacker News told me that American businesses have the ultimate moral imperative to cease operations in any country that demands invasive control of my devices.

Surely my smartphone OEM would fight the entire American government before handing over my data.

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Post by goodluckchuck »

acdha wrote: post #405
bufferoverflow wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He has been pretty vocal about exactly that. He said multiple times that European countries must increase defense budgets significantly.

Yes, but he said that in the context of buying American products. He wanted the American economy to benefit from arms sales, not a more independent Europe.

Historically, an independent Europe has meant continental war after continental war, and Europe is again pushing for a continental war.
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