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US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by ericjmorey »

pmarreck wrote: post #477
epistasis wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always thought that the American Empire would be dismantled when it elected a leftist steeped in anti-imperialist ideology who wanted to better the world. Nope, turns out that the American Empire is being dismantled by something else entirely. A subset of the populace that feels jealous of those with more and scared of social change, reacting to try to hurt their fellow country men? A megalomaniac leader who is som…

> somehow completely controlled by Russia Yeah, about that... Analysis by Grok says "75-85% likelihood Trump is a Putin-compromised asset" https://x.com/i/grok/share/WQepvCpIJl2EJ0F7tHNbLAhm6 Can you imagine if this were true?

Trump clearly respects Putin and sees Putin as a role model for himself. Doesn't matter if he compromised.

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Post by outer_web »

postingawayonhn wrote: post #54
sovietmudkipz wrote: post #39

I genuinely wish there was an understandable endgame for the USA. The USA seems to be throwing its weight around but I’m not entirely sure to what end. This headline/article is just one area where the US is behaving perplexingly. I understand that Trump wants Zelenskyy to sign the minerals deal and that implicitly there’s security guarantees. Fine there’s at least a through line. However; by demonstrating that the US…

NATO as has existed is already over. Nobody has any faith that the US will follow through on its Article 5 obligations.

Ukraine is already quietly divisive in Congress. If Russia were to roll into Poland I could see a legislative declaration of war.

In any event, maybe NATO just needs go squeak by four years without an Article 5 invocation to be back to normal.

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Post by dachris »

mrtksn wrote: post #450
ta988 wrote: post #228

And the story continues. This means that no country will want to buy F16s. If you don't get support they are useless. They are eroding really fast the US shine and trust in the world. This is going to have a massive effect on the US economy, internal consumption will not save it. This is the end of an empire while its rich kings are golfing every weekend on the taxpayer dime using federal and local resources. I am re…

I fully expect that in some near future the civilian infrastructure also will be de-coupled from USA in the name of national security by other nations. At this very moment, Apple and Google have the ability to disable communications for billions of people. They can make computers and phones totally unusable. Not just some features but everything. EU was trying to legislate around this risk by forcing companies to bri…

I've thought about this for some time now, and am surprised I haven't seen this voiced more often.

The way almost all societies have allowed themselves to be completely dependent on a few providers is mind-boggling.

Someone else 10,000 miles away has the kill switch for your phone, your credit card, your brokerage account, your TV, likely your HVAC if you're into home automation, maybe your car.

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ta988 wrote: post #228

And the story continues. This means that no country will want to buy F16s. If you don't get support they are useless. They are eroding really fast the US shine and trust in the world. This is going to have a massive effect on the US economy, internal consumption will not save it. This is the end of an empire while its rich kings are golfing every weekend on the taxpayer dime using federal and local resources. I am re…

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Post by iw2rmb »

regularization wrote: post #150

I am tired of being taxed and having the money go to forever wars in other countries. Slaughtering Palestinians in Gaza, destabilizing Russia, and on and on. At least Trump is winding it down in one place. If Europeans think a hardline against Russia is important, then they can pay for it. We're on the other side of the ocean. This is why the Democrats lost. All they care about is war in the Ukraine. Bernie Sanders s…

First, reps where for Ukraine and now you are flipping like a vane. Second, $100b in weapon aid for Ukraine is just small change and old stuff mostly; and Ukraine could be one of the solid buyers for decades. Third, if you're not a filthy rich you are paying and will pay a lot more for the upcoming years. This could be a real win for US, Ukraine and even probably could overthrow Putin. But with that course of actions the only option for you is to keep stacking eggs.

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Post by brandonmenc »

ProcNetDev wrote: post #438
moduspol wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually we just want the war in Ukraine to end. Hope that helps. There's a lot of bloviating from the chattering class about cozying up to Russia, but I've yet to hear a cogent alternative. And no, I don't think "endlessly funding Ukraine to a forever stalemate" qualifies.

You want the war to end so that Russians can do what they did to Bucha a thousand more times! You want the war to end so that Poland, Japan, Taiwan and Australia no longer trust that the US will help them and develop their own nuclear weapons!

It is absolutely insane that anyone thinks giving nukes to Taiwan is a good idea.

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Post by alabastervlog »

827a wrote: post #520
epistasis wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always thought that the American Empire would be dismantled when it elected a leftist steeped in anti-imperialist ideology who wanted to better the world. Nope, turns out that the American Empire is being dismantled by something else entirely. A subset of the populace that feels jealous of those with more and scared of social change, reacting to try to hurt their fellow country men? A megalomaniac leader who is som…

It always ends up happening how you least expect it, though maybe that expectation is evidence that it was bound to happen via a different road anyway. At the end of the day, the problem isn't really Trump. The American Empire isn't going to end because its only exporting $300B of military might to the world instead of $600B, when no one else on the planet is scratching $50B (I made these numbers up as an illustratio…

> No one makes any good faith effort to understand the other side

I do and have.

Too many of their issues are simply made-up for me to get much traction, though. You see one outrageous thing after another and go “omg if that’s true it does seem pretty bad!” and then it’s almost always not true when you look into it. You can do this all day long with Fox News, let alone even nuttier sources.

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Post by tim333 »

davidmurdoch wrote: post #446
dashundchen wrote: post #152

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Trump/Musk/Republicans have taken the side of a fascist dictator Putin. Every recent move wrt Ukraine has benefitted Russia. Even if it means betraying democratic allies and decades long alliances. It is so shameful and disgusting.

Honestly curious what you, and proponents for continuing to arm Ukraine, think should be done about Russia's encroachment into Western Europe?

People have different idea but roughly the Ukrainian plan seems to be hold the current lines approximately, destroy Russian assets and work on Russia collapsing economically to the extent they have to pull back a bit like their Afghanistan experience.

Anders Puck Nielsen on that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNZ56C-f4a8&t=422s That's starting at the Ukrainian plan but it's worth watching the whole vid if you are interested.

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