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US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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What’s the motivation, if the Russians have the strong cards in this upcoming peace negotiation the current administration feels the need to weaken the Ukrainian side equipment? Slice of the minerals?

Trump/Musk/Republicans have taken the side of a fascist dictator Putin. Every recent move wrt Ukraine has benefitted Russia. Even if it means betraying democratic allies and decades long alliances. It is so shameful and disgusting.

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Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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The agenda that Trump advanced during campaigns was not "cut ourselves off from the rest of the world". Do his supporters really want this? What's the rationale he advances for this stance and the tarrifs? What would a president who was beholden to Russians do once elected? I mean -- what's the point of provoking Canada, of all countries? Canada as the 51st US state would be the new most populous state and would caus…

The agenda was to leave Ukraine and to have Europe pay for its own defence which is what’s happening here. Nothing more, nothing less. Don’t let yourself get manipulated by Reddit-tier arguments.

This is actually true, no need for political downvoting.

It's just the way it's done, quite childish and not ally-like. Pulling out from EU and UA could've been done in much less 'rug-pulling' style.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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And the story continues. This means that no country will want to buy F16s. If you don't get support they are useless. They are eroding really fast the US shine and trust in the world. This is going to have a massive effect on the US economy, internal consumption will not save it. This is the end of an empire while its rich kings are golfing every weekend on the taxpayer dime using federal and local resources. I am re…

The best explanation I've heard is that this (almost) half of the US population doesn't care if it hurts a bit, as long as it hurts the other half of the US population more.

There’s certainly no shortage of MAGA folk whose primary motivations are “owning the libs”. But I think there’s plenty of people who just truly believed in the nonsense Trump was selling.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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I always thought that the American Empire would be dismantled when it elected a leftist steeped in anti-imperialist ideology who wanted to better the world. Nope, turns out that the American Empire is being dismantled by something else entirely. A subset of the populace that feels jealous of those with more and scared of social change, reacting to try to hurt their fellow country men? A megalomaniac leader who is som…

> somehow completely controlled by Russia Yeah, about that... Analysis by Grok says "75-85% likelihood Trump is a Putin-compromised asset" https://x.com/i/grok/share/WQepvCpIJl2EJ0F7tHNbLAhm6 Can you imagine if this were true?

Trump's actions towards the EU has resulted in a massive increase in military spending by those nations. This is exactly what Trump has demanded of them. This is consequential to Russia and in no way good for them. To think Trump is "controlled by Russia" is such a tired, worn out farce.

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Whether there is a kill switch or not is somewhat irrelevant. There is a larger than nonzero chance that there is a kill switch, and the US cannot be trusted anymore. So we have to assume there is a kill switch.

Lack of maintenance parts is just a kill switch with a timer. Jet Fighters need a lot of maintenance, they are not like cars. So a kill switch in software is not needed. If the US stops shipping parts, then it is only a matter of time before the Jet Fighters is an expensive paper weight.

Iran is still flying F14s.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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The article pretty clearly explains how important the missile jamming feature is, and that Ukraine has to switch to other planes and equipment.

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So, to conclude, foreigners shouldn't buy F35s.

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And the story continues. This means that no country will want to buy F16s. If you don't get support they are useless. They are eroding really fast the US shine and trust in the world. This is going to have a massive effect on the US economy, internal consumption will not save it. This is the end of an empire while its rich kings are golfing every weekend on the taxpayer dime using federal and local resources. I am re…

A substantially sized loud minority in the US is fully committed to a death cult of personality. The rest of us are suffering and unprepared for this.

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#528

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It’s easy to prove that half is wrong as well because all the US’ (past) global friends are screaming at the US trying to save them from driving off the cliff. It’s one thing for the US to want to remake itself - gradual, cooperative plans to reduce engagement on the world stage over multiple years would have been something manageable. Pulling the cord with such little respect will not be forgotten. The USD will be l…

> The USD will be lucky to still be the reserve currency in 5-10 years time. if the US regime carries on at the rate it has over the last month I expect it will be gone considerably faster than this

And this will inflate away the debts tokenized in CCP-held US Treasuries. 4D chess! Russia did something similar in 1998 that sank the US hedge fund Long Term Capital Management.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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The best explanation I've heard is that this (almost) half of the US population doesn't care if it hurts a bit, as long as it hurts the other half of the US population more.

My mental model is that it will hurt the S&P500 but benefit the working class.

As an European with seizable(for me) position in SP500 etf, which I never inteneded to liquidate, am actually thinking to completely deinvest from US. Purely because of what Trump did and will do to Ukraine and because of his dismantling of postwar Atlantic security architecture

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Well he’s been very vocal about NATO countries increasing their defense contributions. That doesn’t necessarily mean that the US needs to sell all the weapons.

And all everybody speaks of is expenditure, not capabilities. That alone should tell you what the goal is. Except it might backfire if Europe understandably decides it must buy European.

Yes, seems like things are already starting to take off:

- Shares of Starlink’s European rival Eutelsat have tripled. CEO says it can do the job in Ukraine. [1]

- Boost for German economy: Armaments sector picks up former car industry employees [2]

[1] https://www.marketwatch.com/story/shares-of-starlinks-europe... [2] (German only) https://www.n-tv.de/wirtschaft/Ruestungsbranche-sammelt-ehem...

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