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US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by Gollapalli »

legitster wrote: post #189
Gollapalli wrote: post #168

There’s a good reason for people to flag these posts. It seems like most folks in the comment section didn’t even read TFA. Per TFA, this impacts F-16s NOT F-35s Per TFA, the US is not actively “turning off” any piece of equipment, they are no longer providing updates (something with which we are all familiar. Per TFA, this means that the US is no longer providing active support in a country-vs-country battle of elec…

The article pretty clearly explains how important the missile jamming feature is, and that Ukraine has to switch to other planes and equipment.

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Post by Chance-Device »

kragen wrote: post #387
Chance-Device wrote: post #286

I think I’ll use this thread to make a prediction. At the end of Trump’s term: - Europe will still be using F-16s and F-35s - The US will still be in NATO, and will still be actively committed to the alliance - European defense spending will be massively higher, with manufacturing and supply chains that are far less easily disrupted - The US forces deployed to Europe will still be there, but will be bolstered by more…

Do you have reasoning to support this improbable conjunction, or are you just seeking to bet money?

The strategic interests of the US stay the same. All of this is posturing which will only improve the alliance which the US leads. Carrot or stick, this president or that president, certain things don’t change. All that changes is the implementation.

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Post by davikr »

knubie wrote: post #364
sorokod wrote: post #158

The Danish air force is likely experiencing a buyers remorse about their batch of F35s. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Danish_Air_Force

Yes I'm sure the Danes are wishing they had purchased their fifth generation fighters from China or Russia instead.

The Chinese and Russian would certainly have provided continued support if they were on the other end of a conflict, differently from the Evil Bad American Empire.

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Post by tim333 »

devsda wrote: post #273
tim333 wrote: post #128

I'm wondering if the deal with Trump and Russia is just favours like they find investors for his questionable businesses and he helps them or if they do have kompromat? Apparently in the days they were entertaining him in Moscow it was quite common to provide hookers and film things and given Trump's character it may not have been that hard to get him to go along. He always looks rather embarrassed with Putin. Also i…

"Trump is an alien impersonator trying to destroy humanity from within to make it easier for the aliens to colonize earth" That is also a probable explanation for what's happening, if you believe in UFOs and aliens. Sorry, I mean no disrespect. As a non-american and non-westerner, it's absolutely wild to see what people are willing to believe when it comes to Trump. Surely, there's a more rational and simple explanat…

I don't really want to divert the thread to a lot of questionable Trump stuff but there is some evidence in that direction. See for example https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-fir... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia... https://www.kyivpost.com/post/47630

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Post by Vilian »

moduspol wrote: post #390
ta988 wrote: post #228

And the story continues. This means that no country will want to buy F16s. If you don't get support they are useless. They are eroding really fast the US shine and trust in the world. This is going to have a massive effect on the US economy, internal consumption will not save it. This is the end of an empire while its rich kings are golfing every weekend on the taxpayer dime using federal and local resources. I am re…

Actually we just want the war in Ukraine to end. Hope that helps. There's a lot of bloviating from the chattering class about cozying up to Russia, but I've yet to hear a cogent alternative. And no, I don't think "endlessly funding Ukraine to a forever stalemate" qualifies.

I don't want to see Ukrainian genocide by Russia, hope that help

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Post by bboygravity »

Sharlin wrote: post #35
bboygravity wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since when was the US in the European Union or even near Europe? How is it like Brexit in the slightest? Why is it the US's responsibility to finance and organize the majority of EU's defense? PS: I'm from and in Europe. I don't get why it is a good or logical thing that the US should be responsible for the majority of "Western" defense on our territory.

They’re responsible for honoring their agreements and contracts. How can any European state now trust the F-35s that they’ve purchased or going to purchase? All the trans-Atlantic trust built since 1945. Flushed down the toilet in a few weeks. Trust is difficult to build but easy to destroy.

My real question as a European: why where we buying US fighter jets in the first place and not French/European ones (for example)?

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Post by causal »

pydry wrote: post #297
epistasis wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always thought that the American Empire would be dismantled when it elected a leftist steeped in anti-imperialist ideology who wanted to better the world. Nope, turns out that the American Empire is being dismantled by something else entirely. A subset of the populace that feels jealous of those with more and scared of social change, reacting to try to hurt their fellow country men? A megalomaniac leader who is som…

It's not being dismantled at all. It's engaged in a sudden retrenchment which has been brought on by years of slow decline. They even say this - Rubio said that we do not live in a unipolar world any more - a comment which attracted weirdly little notice. Biden's approach assumed a unipolar world which did not exist. That's why the Ukraine war, from the American imperialist perspective, backfired. The achilles heel o…

"backfired" makes it sound like you believe the US started the war

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Post by ProcNetDev »

moduspol wrote: post #390
ta988 wrote: post #228

And the story continues. This means that no country will want to buy F16s. If you don't get support they are useless. They are eroding really fast the US shine and trust in the world. This is going to have a massive effect on the US economy, internal consumption will not save it. This is the end of an empire while its rich kings are golfing every weekend on the taxpayer dime using federal and local resources. I am re…

Actually we just want the war in Ukraine to end. Hope that helps. There's a lot of bloviating from the chattering class about cozying up to Russia, but I've yet to hear a cogent alternative. And no, I don't think "endlessly funding Ukraine to a forever stalemate" qualifies.

You want the war to end so that Russians can do what they did to Bucha a thousand more times!

You want the war to end so that Poland, Japan, Taiwan and Australia no longer trust that the US will help them and develop their own nuclear weapons!

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Post by oezi »

bboygravity wrote: post #23
rich_sasha wrote: post #3

Right now every buyer of American kit is feverishly evaluating non-US alternatives. Seriously, America, this is like Brexit but 1000x. A voluntary decision, taken with gusto, to chop off arms and legs and ears and fingers and whatnot, cut off the deadwood, be light and free, a lone vessel on the ocean of prosperity, free of the burden of the stupid foreigners who are the sole reason why everything was going wrong.

Since when was the US in the European Union or even near Europe? How is it like Brexit in the slightest? Why is it the US's responsibility to finance and organize the majority of EU's defense? PS: I'm from and in Europe. I don't get why it is a good or logical thing that the US should be responsible for the majority of "Western" defense on our territory.

> Why is it the US's responsibility to finance and organize the majority of EU's defense?

This is a common talking point, but I think it is totally wrong. The US didn't finance and organize Europe's defense.

They did spend money on their own defense forces which happen to be best positioned in Europe near the best interest as a superpower.

America spent money against their Russian adversary. This money was always well spent as far as I can see it.

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