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Re: Tesla offering insane perks as sales dry up

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It’s never really been about whether he is one or not. It’s about his behavior. If you don’t want people to think you’re a Nazi—whether you are one or not—don’t adopt their mannerisms.

We are way past the mannerism part.

What does that mean?

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How can you possibly like someone throwing around literal Nazi salutes? Are you unaware of that?

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People troll on message boards because they are anonymous and there are no consequences. Trolling in real life, on the other hand, has consequences: try doing it at work, or with your partner (if you have one), and see how that works out for you.

The long-term consequences of his behavior have yet to reveal themselves. We will see.

The only reason Musk can troll and get away with it is because he is fabulously wealthy. (He didn’t do it when he was getting his career going.) If he were a 9-to-5 salary earner like the rest of us, he’d have faced a very different outcome.

I believe that Musk’s defenders like him because he says things they wish they could say, but can’t, because of the consequences it would bring. Musk is largely insulated from those consequences today. It’s the “things they wish they could say” that’s concerning. The ideological alignment speaks for itself.

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As long as you're dreaming, perhaps you should also include giving up all his equity in the company. He'd still profit handsomely off someone else running the company well with over 12% of shares.

I'm not going to go that far. He can invest in whatever he wants; if he owns a non-controlling amount of Amazon or Home Depot shares, I'm not going to stop shopping there.

Well, I'd say it depends on what you are trying to accomplish.

If you don't agree with his political stance and and want to loosen his outsized influence on US democracy (e.g. by pouring hundreds of millions in political campaigns, silencing intra-GOP opposition by threatening to primary them with his money, using Twitter to push the fringe talking points of the day), then I would argue your goal should be reducing his net worth by refusing to buy from companies he's invested in.

If on the other hand, you're mostly criticizing that the quality of Tesla's cars suffers because the company doesn't get his full attention, it's a different story and your stance makes sense.

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How can you possibly like someone throwing around literal Nazi salutes? Are you unaware of that?

I think everyone are very aware of far left media trying to paint musk as nazi. It seems it finally worked.

That's like saying the "far left media" is trying to paint NBA players as tall.

People have eyes and anyone watching someone give two perfect nazi salutes and at the biggest political rally of our time that still denies someone is telling the world they are a nazi is denying reality.

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I'm not going to go that far. He can invest in whatever he wants; if he owns a non-controlling amount of Amazon or Home Depot shares, I'm not going to stop shopping there.

Well, I'd say it depends on what you are trying to accomplish. If you don't agree with his political stance and and want to loosen his outsized influence on US democracy (e.g. by pouring hundreds of millions in political campaigns, silencing intra-GOP opposition by threatening to primary them with his money, using Twitter to push the fringe talking points of the day), then I would argue your goal should be reducing h…

Your idea, while well-founded, is practically impossible. If he put all his money into the S&P 500, and I refused to do business with any of its constituent companies, I’d barely be able to enjoy the fruits of modern society. I’m not that principled.

As for the second point, I’d contend that the quality of Tesla’s vehicles is suffering in large part because of his direct involvement. Choices like substituting a yoke for a steering wheel and the design of the Cybertruck were his ideas. And I wouldn’t be surprised if the latest idiotic move of eliminating steering column stalks for the turn signal, lights, and windshield wiper and washer were his, too.

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I think everyone are very aware of far left media trying to paint musk as nazi. It seems it finally worked.

That's like saying the "far left media" is trying to paint NBA players as tall. People have eyes and anyone watching someone give two perfect nazi salutes and at the biggest political rally of our time that still denies someone is telling the world they are a nazi is denying reality.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

Re: Tesla offering insane perks as sales dry up

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People troll on message boards because they are anonymous and there are no consequences. Trolling in real life, on the other hand, has consequences: try doing it at work, or with your partner (if you have one), and see how that works out for you. The long-term consequences of his behavior have yet to reveal themselves. We will see. The only reason Musk can troll and get away with it is because he is fabulously wealth…

You're so close! But you've got the conclusion backwards. People enjoy Musk's trolling because the culture has become so sanitized. There is a reason corporate HR departments have rigid rules--legal liability, the need to keep a diverse workforce focused on the job at hand. But the whole world shouldn't be like that.

> It’s the “things they wish they could say” that’s concerning. The ideological alignment speaks for itself.

The point of trolling is to say what will provoke the target of the trolling to have a conniption.

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The "opinion of economists" is why we'll be paying $1T+ in interest on our debt this year, and why we print $2T a year and haven't balanced the budget in well over two decades. I have kids. I'm not going to saddle them with crippling debt to provide circumcision in Zimbabwe or to replace the Taliban with better armed Taliban.

How much Rush do you listen to? The guy who welded my exhaust and tasted my transmission fluid to tell me how "synthetic tastes terrible" says the things you do. All that dude listens to is fear mongering conservative media that constantly misrepresents reality to make people feel scared. Everytime I walk into that shop I hear scared white dudes talking about things that aren't actually happening to justify their wei…

How much MSNBC do you listen to? https://www.usdebtclock.org

Re: Tesla offering insane perks as sales dry up

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They also have annual sales of ~140k globally. The Y is closer to 1.2M. Even in the US, the Y sells ~2x as many as Maverick.

Something tells me that the model Y wi be selling dramatically less in the coming years.

That's why Tesla is releasing the cheaper Model Q later this year.
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