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Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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I've been loving Kagi search and am really looking forward to Orion being available outside Apple land. You can join the email list here: https://kagi.com/changelog#6479 I'm a bit worried that Kagi might be over-extending here. Instead of focusing and capitalizing on search, they're expanding to the difficult business of browsers. I'm always hesitant when companies try to do everything everywhere all at once, since t…

My guess is that they realize the opportunity created by Mozilla’s sudden change in privacy terms.

I doubt this is the case. They were working on a prototype back in October 2023 [1], but then the contractor bailed out [2], but now they got (probably different) people working on it now

[1]: https://orionfeedback.org/d/6363-orion-for-linux

[2]: https://orionfeedback.org/d/6363-orion-for-linux/30

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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post #162
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I've been loving Kagi search and am really looking forward to Orion being available outside Apple land. You can join the email list here: https://kagi.com/changelog#6479 I'm a bit worried that Kagi might be over-extending here. Instead of focusing and capitalizing on search, they're expanding to the difficult business of browsers. I'm always hesitant when companies try to do everything everywhere all at once, since t…

Didn’t Kagi ship Orion first , before the search product?

No, they made Kagi first. See their history page: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/company/history.html

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Primary source: - "We're thrilled to announce that development of the Orion Browser for Linux has officially started!" - "Register here to receive news and early access opportunities throughout the development year: https://forms.kagi.com/?q=orion_linux_news " https://bsky.app/profile/kagi.com/post/3ljqsgjmkpk2n (I interpret that to mean there's a closed beta?)

Not yet

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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post #187

I'm probably not the only one who got an email from "Brandon Saltalamacchia" with We're giving you a full 30-day trial of Kagi Professional because we know you'll love it. Click "here" to activate your trial, no strings attached. Well, clicked on it, saw that OF COURSE it'll convert to a normal subscription after the trial, which I usually wouldn't have a big problem with, but this is clearly a string that is very mu…

A few weeks ago, I saw a blog post here about their new billing policy[1]: if you don't use Kagi during a month, they'll pause your subscription. Personally, because of this one feature of their subscription, I don't feel too bad about such "trial schemes".

I'm not affiliated with Kagi, nor am I a paid customer.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42944371

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

#195
post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can you explain why? From privacy and free speech perspectives aren’t US services now better? In regards to privacy, the country is increasingly trying to pass age verification bills as a way to backdoor more surveillance into law while a billionaire is running around slurping up everyone's private data. In regards to free speech, the President sues journalist he doesn't agree with, passed an executive order to tar…

I wonder if companies will try to move away from services like Google Suite or Microsoft Teams or Slack. Because it essentially means that the US can read all the internal communications. That's a big security problem, especially now that the US have become... unstable.

Absolutely. While I haven't heard of it happening yet, I have seen talks about doing so.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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post #187

I'm probably not the only one who got an email from "Brandon Saltalamacchia" with We're giving you a full 30-day trial of Kagi Professional because we know you'll love it. Click "here" to activate your trial, no strings attached. Well, clicked on it, saw that OF COURSE it'll convert to a normal subscription after the trial, which I usually wouldn't have a big problem with, but this is clearly a string that is very mu…

I got that email too. When it wanted my credit-card number I didn't have my wallet by my side so I thought I'd do it later. When I remembered the next day and wanted to give it a try again I was told I had already used the code.

Guess not then.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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post #189

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For people in poverty, 8% is the difference between getting that extra carton of eggs or not getting it. For rich people, it doesn't matter. It's not that VAT doesn't tax rich people it's that it taxes poor people a lot harder.

I completely get your point. What would you suggest, then?

A wealth tax, an estate tax, a tax on stock trades are all better options that hit the wealthy and not the poor.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I completely get your point. What would you suggest, then?

A wealth tax, an estate tax, a tax on stock trades are all better options that hit the wealthy and not the poor.

> A wealth tax, an estate tax

Do you mean having a higher wealth and estate tax? They both exist where I live, although they tend to hit the poor much more than the rich.

> tax on stock trades

I agree on this one but I think it's not a good idea to penalize people that invest for the long term. Perhaps tax only trades that happened over less than 10 years or something.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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post #194
post #187

I'm probably not the only one who got an email from "Brandon Saltalamacchia" with We're giving you a full 30-day trial of Kagi Professional because we know you'll love it. Click "here" to activate your trial, no strings attached. Well, clicked on it, saw that OF COURSE it'll convert to a normal subscription after the trial, which I usually wouldn't have a big problem with, but this is clearly a string that is very mu…

A few weeks ago, I saw a blog post here about their new billing policy[1]: if you don't use Kagi during a month, they'll pause your subscription. Personally, because of this one feature of their subscription, I don't feel too bad about such "trial schemes". I'm not affiliated with Kagi, nor am I a paid customer. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42944371

Again: I usually would not have a problem with this at all. All I'm asking for is honest communication. It's not difficult. In this case, just write: "If you subscribe to Kagi Professional now, we'll give you the first month for free!". I probably would have taken that offer.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

#200
post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CEO of Kagi has fairly strong views on user privacy as far as I can tell. I don’t know what his opinion of Windows is, but I’m willing to bet there’s a personal dislike of Windows and Android that is at least partially affecting the decision-making process here. They also don’t seem like they’re trying to go big, just stay profitable.

Android can be much more private than iOS if you pull the right levers - GrapheneOS is based on Android after all.

How do you stop signaling to Google on android without using GrapheneOS or another aftermarket OS?
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