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US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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I'm not sure Denmark is going to cancel our F35 orders. From a security perspective, it's certainly in our interest to pretend this isn't a big deal. And that everything is normal. But I'm not surprised that our prime minister recently did not leave out the possiblity of hosting nukes on Danish territory. Given the theatre in the US one could even say we'll need nukes to defend Greenland.

The Donald wants Groenland ... After that, why not Denmark itself ?

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Trump is really a disgusting human being. I'm not a US citizen but this looks an awful lot like treason -- he is actively helping an enemy of the state.

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> while hundreds of thousands get killed or mutilated?

Most of them are russians in uniform, which, as tragic as it is, is a better outcome.

The original invasion force brought tens of thousands of body bags and it is clear they weren't originally meant for russian troops.

If you have any doubt, look up the pre written article that popped on Kremlins website a few days after the full scale invasion about large tragic but unavoidable losses of civilian lives.

Or look at how the convoy that targeted Kyiv contained lots and lots of prison buses and how they brought mobile crematoriums.

It is easy to sit safely here and comment.

If you want to do something better get out and donate and help the fight.

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I genuinely wish there was an understandable endgame for the USA. The USA seems to be throwing its weight around but I’m not entirely sure to what end. This headline/article is just one area where the US is behaving perplexingly. I understand that Trump wants Zelenskyy to sign the minerals deal and that implicitly there’s security guarantees. Fine there’s at least a through line. However; by demonstrating that the US…

What would you do if you were a team of US oligarchs with connections to the administration and wanted to increase your share of, and power over, the domestic cake? Tell me it doesn't fit. Edit: this story just dropped off the main page. Currently sitting at 85 points and 77 comments. It had position 2 or so, now it has position 79.

If Europe collectively decides they must only buy French and German weapons, there's less US cake.

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NATO has never been a threat to Russia. Under what scenario are all the governments of NATO countries convinced to attack Russia? Also Finland just joined and Russia barley registered a complaint.

This. If NATO countries threatened anything, it's russian imperialism, by having the ability to defend themselves.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would you do if you were a team of US oligarchs with connections to the administration and wanted to increase your share of, and power over, the domestic cake? Tell me it doesn't fit. Edit: this story just dropped off the main page. Currently sitting at 85 points and 77 comments. It had position 2 or so, now it has position 79.

If Europe collectively decides they must only buy French and German weapons, there's less US cake.

Sure, but are these guys the kind who wants control over the whole cake or a smaller slice of a larger cake?

Look at Russia.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Trump is really a disgusting human being. I'm not a US citizen but this looks an awful lot like treason -- he is actively helping an enemy of the state.

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Are you calling on russia to stop its aggression and return to its borders? If not you're not against war, just on the aggressor's side.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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People commenting here keep speaking as though Americans all decided to do this. Trump didn't even win the majority of votes of those who voted. And those who voted for him had only the most nebulous idea of what doing this would mean. It meant something like "Those people who never treated us with respect will get what's coming. If they don't love us they will fear us."

This happens all the time. "Russia did X." "The UK just did stupid thing Y." "Why are Germans suddenly authoritarian again?"

There are always lots of people who disagree with the actions of their government. Some governments -- the US government increasingly so -- punish dissent. Russians, for one, have almost no say over what their government does. Americans in general are not making these terrible decisions. Some cabal is, but even the Republicans, who have all the power at the moment, are mostly just knuckling under to decisions they know are terrible.

I know it's tempting to blame and hate people as nations, but I don't think it helps. In fact, it's how we got here in the first place: firebrands telling nitwits that everyone in Europe or New York City or wherever hates them.

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This is russian propaganda and it is important to know what it says, to be able to recognize it when you see it elsewhere, from the mouth of an influencer, a politician, a comment on the Web etc.

Rejecting theories by labeling them "propaganda" with out any justification is not really helping here.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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I genuinely wish there was an understandable endgame for the USA. The USA seems to be throwing its weight around but I’m not entirely sure to what end. This headline/article is just one area where the US is behaving perplexingly. I understand that Trump wants Zelenskyy to sign the minerals deal and that implicitly there’s security guarantees. Fine there’s at least a through line. However; by demonstrating that the US…

> I understand that Trump wants Zelenskyy to sign the minerals deal and that implicitly there’s security guarantees.

I don't think there are any "security guarantees". What could they be?

The "endgame" as far as I understand it: The US wants access to the minerals as a compensation for the money already spent and, perhaps, to restore some of the support currently put on hold (satellite data access). Once the Ukranian resistance is broken, the US and Russia will jointly dictate a peace, gradually install a Russia-friendly regime and split the profit between them. They will happily invite the EU to finance some of the rebuilding of Ukraine that is then mainly performed by US and Russian companies. The US furthermore hopes that by spearheading the lifting of sanctions it will get priority access to some beneficial deals with and within Russia itself.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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This is an open forum. Put forward your solution to the war so it can be discussed.

Trump's is: Ukraine folds, because it holds no cards, Putin gets all he wants, and US companies can do business with Russia again.

Russia a country who's GDP is between Italy and Spain. Surely worth it to antagonize all the other G7 members over Russia.

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