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Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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This is something I don't understand. Kagi has been my only search engine since they dropped the price to $10/mo. I've only ever used Kagi with Firefox, and I use it on Linux, Windows, and Mac. I just add it to my search engines and set it as default, which takes about 15 seconds. Everything seems to just work seamlessly. Searching in private windows works without any configuration or token juggling. I have never tri…

To set it as your default search engine on iOS, you need to first install a separate Kagi Search app from the App Store, enable the extension, and then dig through some fairly obscure Safari settings so that the Kagi app can run with enough permissions to intercept/redirect search URLs for other search engines. So now when I search in Safari, the browser says “DuckDuckGo Search” but when I hit return Kagi jumps in. I…

This seems more like an indictment of iOS than collusion between search and browser vendors. I'm using Kagi as my default search on Android, Linux, Mac, and Windows, both Chrome and Firefox. The kind of nonsense your describing us why iOS doesn't show up in my list of devices.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Full manifest v2 ublock origin on an iOS browser is pretty amazing.

You got me excited and I installed it but uBlock Origin does not work and is not supported on iOS. If you have it installed and it appears to be working, it’s probably the default native ad blocker that’s doing the work. https://orionfeedback.org/d/9145-ublock-origin-not-existent-...

My understanding is that Orion has already installed uBlock Origin out of the box. No need to install the extension.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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I've been loving Kagi search and am really looking forward to Orion being available outside Apple land. You can join the email list here: https://kagi.com/changelog#6479 I'm a bit worried that Kagi might be over-extending here. Instead of focusing and capitalizing on search, they're expanding to the difficult business of browsers. I'm always hesitant when companies try to do everything everywhere all at once, since t…

Doesn't Kagi Search just regurgitate Google's search results?

Not in my experience. Can also block or derank domains in your result, no more quora or Pinterest.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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I've been loving Kagi search and am really looking forward to Orion being available outside Apple land. You can join the email list here: https://kagi.com/changelog#6479 I'm a bit worried that Kagi might be over-extending here. Instead of focusing and capitalizing on search, they're expanding to the difficult business of browsers. I'm always hesitant when companies try to do everything everywhere all at once, since t…

Trying to use Kagi with other browsers lays bare the depth of collusion between browser makers and search providers. Getting out from under all that makes Kagi a whole lot more seamless and useful. It’s ironic that it is its own tight collusion, with the difference that you can use Orion just as well with any other search providers as with Kagi. So yeah, it seems like a departure from search, until you consider that…

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Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Because the recent trade war has started a trend of "buy European' across the continent buy-european-made.eu

Before these trade war escalations the US imposed an average tariff rate of about 3.5% on EU goods, notably lower than the EU’s 5.2% on US goods, and lacked the high, sector-specific tariffs seen in the EU. While the US maintained a relatively uniform rate, 2.5% on cars and slightly higher on food and chemicals—the EU targeted certain US sectors with very steep tariffs, like 32.3% on dairy. We should also mention VAT…

I'm not sure what your point is. Are you saying that the EU isn't being "fair" to the US?

I'm not sure how that would change the incentive for European citizens to rely more on European products in the face of possible future tariffs.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Because the recent trade war has started a trend of "buy European' across the continent buy-european-made.eu

Before these trade war escalations the US imposed an average tariff rate of about 3.5% on EU goods, notably lower than the EU’s 5.2% on US goods, and lacked the high, sector-specific tariffs seen in the EU. While the US maintained a relatively uniform rate, 2.5% on cars and slightly higher on food and chemicals—the EU targeted certain US sectors with very steep tariffs, like 32.3% on dairy. We should also mention VAT…

Clown in charge is more than enough reason to divest from US.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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I've been loving Kagi search and am really looking forward to Orion being available outside Apple land. You can join the email list here: https://kagi.com/changelog#6479 I'm a bit worried that Kagi might be over-extending here. Instead of focusing and capitalizing on search, they're expanding to the difficult business of browsers. I'm always hesitant when companies try to do everything everywhere all at once, since t…

Trying to use Kagi with other browsers lays bare the depth of collusion between browser makers and search providers. Getting out from under all that makes Kagi a whole lot more seamless and useful. It’s ironic that it is its own tight collusion, with the difference that you can use Orion just as well with any other search providers as with Kagi. So yeah, it seems like a departure from search, until you consider that…

> Trying to use Kagi with other browsers lays bare the depth of collusion between browser makers and search providers.

Absolutely. Safari not offering any way to add Kagi without weird hacks or extensions is absurd.

I get the case for search engines paying browser vendors a cut for being the default, but still getting paid after the user has overridden that selection is already somewhat dubious, and not allowing the user to fully provide their own query URL at all should be illegal.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Relax, they didn't write the entire browser. It's webkit based.

Having been wondering what their cross platform plans for Orion were the other day and seeing this in the FAQ I don't think it's fair to frame it as small potatoes work just because it could have been even harder. It's still real work and a significant effort. https://help.kagi.com/orion/faq/faq.html#other_os_support : "Are there plans for a Windows/Linux/Android version of Orion? We currently do not have the resourc…

The CEO of Kagi has fairly strong views on user privacy as far as I can tell. I don’t know what his opinion of Windows is, but I’m willing to bet there’s a personal dislike of Windows and Android that is at least partially affecting the decision-making process here.

They also don’t seem like they’re trying to go big, just stay profitable.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Trying to use Kagi with other browsers lays bare the depth of collusion between browser makers and search providers. Getting out from under all that makes Kagi a whole lot more seamless and useful. It’s ironic that it is its own tight collusion, with the difference that you can use Orion just as well with any other search providers as with Kagi. So yeah, it seems like a departure from search, until you consider that…

> (privacy, neutrality, etc) It's proprietary. There's no way of knowing that it's private.

If only we had a field of computer science dedicated to analyzing the security properties of black boxes…

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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I've been loving Kagi search and am really looking forward to Orion being available outside Apple land. You can join the email list here: https://kagi.com/changelog#6479 I'm a bit worried that Kagi might be over-extending here. Instead of focusing and capitalizing on search, they're expanding to the difficult business of browsers. I'm always hesitant when companies try to do everything everywhere all at once, since t…

My guess is that they realize the opportunity created by Mozilla’s sudden change in privacy terms.

They've been working on Orion for years.
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