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Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by chias »

jmbwell wrote: post #53
Mossy9 wrote: post #7

I've been loving Kagi search and am really looking forward to Orion being available outside Apple land. You can join the email list here: https://kagi.com/changelog#6479 I'm a bit worried that Kagi might be over-extending here. Instead of focusing and capitalizing on search, they're expanding to the difficult business of browsers. I'm always hesitant when companies try to do everything everywhere all at once, since t…

Trying to use Kagi with other browsers lays bare the depth of collusion between browser makers and search providers. Getting out from under all that makes Kagi a whole lot more seamless and useful. It’s ironic that it is its own tight collusion, with the difference that you can use Orion just as well with any other search providers as with Kagi. So yeah, it seems like a departure from search, until you consider that…

This is something I don't understand. Kagi has been my only search engine since they dropped the price to $10/mo. I've only ever used Kagi with Firefox, and I use it on Linux, Windows, and Mac. I just add it to my search engines and set it as default, which takes about 15 seconds.

Everything seems to just work seamlessly. Searching in private windows works without any configuration or token juggling.

I have never tried the Orion browser or the extension because I don't understand the problem that they allegedly solve.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by rc_mob »

alchemist1e9 wrote: post #61
CodeCompost wrote: post #42

Kagi is cool and all but... I'm in Europe. I'm busy disengaging from US based services. Any good EU alternatives?

> I'm busy disengaging from US based services. Can you explain why? From privacy and free speech perspectives aren’t US services now better? Kagi now probably has the best search privacy features in the world after recent upgrades with Privacy Pass and even a ToR endpoint.

America under Trump is the least free that America has ever been. Your freedom argument is outdated, The USA has a fascism problem right now and we are trying to fight it.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by berdario »

Phelinofist wrote: post #90
alchemist1e9 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before these trade war escalations the US imposed an average tariff rate of about 3.5% on EU goods, notably lower than the EU’s 5.2% on US goods, and lacked the high, sector-specific tariffs seen in the EU. While the US maintained a relatively uniform rate, 2.5% on cars and slightly higher on food and chemicals—the EU targeted certain US sectors with very steep tariffs, like 32.3% on dairy. We should also mention VAT…

Do you understand that stuff made in Europe and sold in Europe is also subject to the VAT?

it seems he also overlooked, in his tirade against EU VAT, that almost the whole world has VAT.

It's just an handful of countries like USA and Malaysia that are the weird ones, and don't implement a VAT tax

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by Crontab »

Mossy9 wrote: post #7

I've been loving Kagi search and am really looking forward to Orion being available outside Apple land. You can join the email list here: https://kagi.com/changelog#6479 I'm a bit worried that Kagi might be over-extending here. Instead of focusing and capitalizing on search, they're expanding to the difficult business of browsers. I'm always hesitant when companies try to do everything everywhere all at once, since t…

Doesn't Kagi Search just regurgitate Google's search results?

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by sebazzz »

crystal_revenge wrote: post #70
CodeCompost wrote: post #42

Kagi is cool and all but... I'm in Europe. I'm busy disengaging from US based services. Any good EU alternatives?

> I'm in Europe. I'm busy disengaging from US based services. It's worth pointing out that you're going to struggle with this, and it's because (as all software engineers know) Europe has never supported a strong tech/software developer friendly culture. To be clear: I am not saying there are not fantastic devs in Europe (in fact, most of the devs I respect the most are European), but the EU has always struggled to p…

You can't generalize the EU. It are dozens of completely different countries.

> In fact, all the amazing software engineers I know in Europe.. work for US companies, making US software products (and making US total comp).

What is an amazing software developer if it is not someone who delivers business value? Because there are a lot of software development companies in the Netherlands for instance, or teams part of companies, and they surely deliver business value or they wouldn't exist.

By now I would also bet that of the small subset of developers considering emigrating to the States, sure think they've now dodged a bullet.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by jacekm »

superkuh wrote: post #2

I tried out paid kagi for a 3 months (even if you pay in bitcoin they still require your address). One thing you might want to know before going in is that Kagi does not return many search results. It never returns more than two short pages of results (~100). It is impossible to use Kagi like you'd use a search engine from 1995-2015 to 'surf' the web and find things by accident. That said, google only ever returns I…

https://millionshort.com/ might be the search engine you are looking for.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by Smithalicious »

crystal_revenge wrote: post #70
CodeCompost wrote: post #42

Kagi is cool and all but... I'm in Europe. I'm busy disengaging from US based services. Any good EU alternatives?

> I'm in Europe. I'm busy disengaging from US based services. It's worth pointing out that you're going to struggle with this, and it's because (as all software engineers know) Europe has never supported a strong tech/software developer friendly culture. To be clear: I am not saying there are not fantastic devs in Europe (in fact, most of the devs I respect the most are European), but the EU has always struggled to p…

Very convincing quote.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by edent »

mappu wrote: post #65
edent wrote: post #10

I wish there were a Webkit based browser for Android. There are dozens of Firefox- and Chrome-based browsers, but nothing else. Wonder why?

Igalia are doing an Android port of webkit named WPE-Android[1] including a mini browser shell. There is an APK you can run[2]. 1. https://blogs.igalia.com/jani/bringing-webkit-back-to-androi... 2. https://github.com/Igalia/wpe-android/releases/tag/v0.1.3

I caught my fish! Thank you :-)

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by sunshine-o »

CodeCompost wrote: post #42

Kagi is cool and all but... I'm in Europe. I'm busy disengaging from US based services. Any good EU alternatives?

I am seeing this a lot recently, people trying to switch to EU based alternatives.

I am not sure exactly what are your motivations but if it is privacy and trying to fight some sort of tyranny, I am afraid this might be a bit naive and maybe counterproductive.

The EU is as much influenced by the interests of Big tech than the US. Maybe even more in a way. The regulations and fines you hear about are kayfabe.

It is looking more and more like the net of regulations the EU is rolling out is turning Europe into a digital Gulag.

Right now they only really met a resistance for that ChatControl one [0] but they have been trying for years over and over again, and will probably win at the end.

The irony is if you want and EU alternative you might need to defeat the EU first, who has been preventing the emergence of alternatives for decades now. Or just selfhost as much as possible at home for now.

- [0] https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/

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