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Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Kagi is cool and all but... I'm in Europe. I'm busy disengaging from US based services. Any good EU alternatives?

> I'm busy disengaging from US based services.

Can you explain why? From privacy and free speech perspectives aren’t US services now better?

Kagi now probably has the best search privacy features in the world after recent upgrades with Privacy Pass and even a ToR endpoint.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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I tried out paid kagi for a 3 months (even if you pay in bitcoin they still require your address). One thing you might want to know before going in is that Kagi does not return many search results. It never returns more than two short pages of results (~100). It is impossible to use Kagi like you'd use a search engine from 1995-2015 to 'surf' the web and find things by accident. That said, google only ever returns I…

you may like to try https://marginalia-search.com which is great for finding things unexpectedly and much more from the small internet. https://stract.com is great too

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Kagi is cool and all but... I'm in Europe. I'm busy disengaging from US based services. Any good EU alternatives?

> I'm busy disengaging from US based services. Can you explain why? From privacy and free speech perspectives aren’t US services now better? Kagi now probably has the best search privacy features in the world after recent upgrades with Privacy Pass and even a ToR endpoint.

Because the recent trade war has started a trend of "buy European' across the continent

buy-european-made.eu

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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I wish there were a Webkit based browser for Android. There are dozens of Firefox- and Chrome-based browsers, but nothing else. Wonder why?

Igalia are doing an Android port of webkit named WPE-Android[1] including a mini browser shell. There is an APK you can run[2].

1. https://blogs.igalia.com/jani/bringing-webkit-back-to-androi...

2. https://github.com/Igalia/wpe-android/releases/tag/v0.1.3

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Kagi is cool and all but... I'm in Europe. I'm busy disengaging from US based services. Any good EU alternatives?

Two ongoing projects to solve this:

Qwant and Ecosia, two European search engines, announced on October 24, 2023, a partnership to develop a European search index to lessen their dependence on US tech giants Google and Microsoft. https://insidetelecom.com/qwant-and-ecosia-are-building-an-i...

For the OpenWebSearch.eu initiative, 14 renowned European research and computer centers from 7 countries have joined forces to develop an open European infrastructure for web search https://openwebsearch.eu/

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Orion for macOS is still pretty buggy and, in my experience, a bit too frustrating to use as my default browser. I want to use it and pay the $5/month even though I don't use it all the time. It's close to being good, but not quite there yet.

I’ve been full-timing it on iOS lately and yeah, pretty buggy. It comes with uBlock but doesn’t seem to work, and neither does bookmark/fave syncing.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I keep being confused by this. People mention that Kagi has all these features but I never see them, do I have to up my subscription plan?

It seems that a lot of them are sort of "off" by default to keep search focused on search. If you want to get an LLM summary of a search, for example, end the search with a question mark. Example: "what is gravity?" instead of "what is gravity". The summarizer lives at a different page, here: https://kagi.com/summarizer/

Can also click the quick answer link on existing search results page.

And each search result item had a menu that includes an option to summarize the page.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Kagi is cool and all but... I'm in Europe. I'm busy disengaging from US based services. Any good EU alternatives?

> I'm in Europe. I'm busy disengaging from US based services.

It's worth pointing out that you're going to struggle with this, and it's because (as all software engineers know) Europe has never supported a strong tech/software developer friendly culture. To be clear: I am not saying there are not fantastic devs in Europe (in fact, most of the devs I respect the most are European), but the EU has always struggled to pay competitively and grow its local software community. In fact, all the amazing software engineers I know in Europe.. work for US companies, making US software products (and making US total comp).

Here's a quote of Alan Kay talking about this is in 1997

> [Dijkstra] once wrote a paper—of the kind that he liked to write a lot of—which had the title On the fact that the Atlantic has two sides. It was basically all about how different the approaches to computing science were in Europe, especially in Holland and in the United States. In the US, here, we were not mathematical enough, and gee, in Holland, if you're a full professor, you're actually appointed by the Queen, and there are many other uh important distinctions made between the two cultures. So, uhm, I wrote a rebuttal paper, just called On the fact that most of the software in the world is written on one side of the Atlantic.

The time to address this, unfortunately for Europe, is not today, but 30-40 years ago.

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