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Coffee reduces risk of Type 2 Diabetes; okay to add cream, but not sweetener

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Re: Coffee reduces risk of Type 2 Diabetes; okay to add cream, but not sweetener

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Post by hilux »

epicureanideal wrote: post #44
xethos wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's semi-reasonable in America, but less so in any country with single-payer health care. Like smoking, there are serious effects later in life that cost money to treat; this makes for a compelling case for a sin tax IMO, like we have for tobacco and liquor here in Canada.

So if we vote for a single payer healthcare system, we get a back door for government tyranny over every little aspect of our lives that they decide is bad for us, including as the science shifts? Don’t eat eggs or you lose your coverage, no wait, eat 3 eggs a week or you lose your coverage, no wait.. Sounds like a bad deal, and most Americans will take freedom over free health care if that’s the cost.

If you never used health insurance (which is paid for by more health-conscious people than you, on average), you'd have a more compelling case.

> most Americans will take freedom over free health care

When you're addicted to something (alcohol, nicotine, sugar, gambling, ...) is it really "freedom"?

Re: Coffee reduces risk of Type 2 Diabetes; okay to add cream, but not sweetener

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Post by hilux »

rukshn wrote: post #59

Something that my medical professor used to tell us was that sugar and salt are man made things (processed sugar). And not something we found in nature and something that our bodies are not evolutionary developed to handle. So too much of salt and sugar was a good thing. So which makes sense

He may have a point about sugar. We can live happy and healthy lives without consuming any sugar, ever.

But salt? We need to ingest salt. Not necessarily out of a little plastic shaker, but in some form.

Re: Coffee reduces risk of Type 2 Diabetes; okay to add cream, but not sweetener

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Post by hilux »

_cenw wrote: post #54
blackqueeriroh wrote: post #15

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Nah. I’m fat (6’5”, 450lbs), and my A1C is excellent. Maybe it’s all the coffee I drink, though I do use artificial sweetener…

At this point people should know that T2D predisposition is mostly inherited (in fact more heritable than T1), the trigger is just better understood. Most of the time at least - people still get it without the stereotypical risk factors.

The predisposition to get T2D is inherited.

Actually getting it - if you consume very few simple carbs, you can lower your A1C and you won't get T2D. You can even reverse T2D.

> Most of the time at least - people still get it without the stereotypical risk factors.

People consume too much sugar! That was my point in posting the link.

Re: Coffee reduces risk of Type 2 Diabetes; okay to add cream, but not sweetener

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Post by hilux »

fumufumu wrote: post #42

Is this a valid study? (most dietary studies are pretty poor) Is it the lack of sugar or is that people who don't put sugar in their coffee have a bunch of other things they do? Maybe people who don't put sugar in their coffee are less likely to eat donuts. Maybe people who don't put sugar in their coffee are more likely to workout. Maybe people who don't put sugar in their coffee are more like to have better genes f…

I agree with you that dietary studies, particularly radically new findings, should be considered with appropriate skepticism.

But it sounds like you're dismissing all science out of hand! What are we left with then - truthiness?

Is there any indication that this study is a poor one? It seems to have a lot of positive indicators. It also generally agrees with what we already "know" about both coffee and about sugar.

> I don't put sugar in my coffee

We're on the same page. AeroPress?

Re: Coffee reduces risk of Type 2 Diabetes; okay to add cream, but not sweetener

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Post by theshrike79 »

skissane wrote: post #75
coldtea wrote: post #69

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> Who puts cream in their coffee?! Lots of people all over Europe too

Europeans doing this is something new to me. Where in Europe is it common?

In Finland it's customary to have cream for coffee in "fancy" situations.

At home everyone just drinks it black or with (oat)milk. But if you want it to taste better, just add a bit of cream =)

Re: Coffee reduces risk of Type 2 Diabetes; okay to add cream, but not sweetener

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Post by snapplebobapple »

oarfish wrote: post #129
fumufumu wrote: post #42

Is this a valid study? (most dietary studies are pretty poor) Is it the lack of sugar or is that people who don't put sugar in their coffee have a bunch of other things they do? Maybe people who don't put sugar in their coffee are less likely to eat donuts. Maybe people who don't put sugar in their coffee are more likely to workout. Maybe people who don't put sugar in their coffee are more like to have better genes f…

Why would sugar be bad?

Diabetes is a problem with blood sugar regulation which is primarily accomplished via insulin regulation. if you have a problem regulating something it is almost always best to minimize both the amount and variability of use of that thing.

The long answer is, in our time of great abundance, the most common version of type 2 diabetes by a mile is the one where blood sugar is always elevated because fat cells have stopped responding as well to insulin and insulin is also always elevated. Elevated insulin stops energy release from fat cells and keeps fat cells absorbing glucose and storing it as fat for as long as they can until they get large, unresponsive and usually start releasing inflammatory chemicals (aka they start causing you a bad time) thats when insulin jacks up further and once jacking insulin up stops working you now get classified as having type 2 diabetes. so in so far as our fat cells are not highly responsive to insulin, sugar is bad and inso far as sugar contributes to your fat cells getting unresponsive to insulin over time it's bad too (barring a famine that being at maximum fatness will help you survive).

Re: Coffee reduces risk of Type 2 Diabetes; okay to add cream, but not sweetener

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Post by xboxnolifes »

animal531 wrote: post #89
skissane wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is this a valid study? It’s a very American study. Who puts cream in their coffee?! And what about cappuccinos? (Almost all of my coffee consumption is cappuccinos…)

Is it actually cream they put in? So weird, why not just use milk?

A bit of light cream is so much better in coffee than milk.

Re: Coffee reduces risk of Type 2 Diabetes; okay to add cream, but not sweetener

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Post by xboxnolifes »

animal531 wrote: post #89
skissane wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is this a valid study? It’s a very American study. Who puts cream in their coffee?! And what about cappuccinos? (Almost all of my coffee consumption is cappuccinos…)

Is it actually cream they put in? So weird, why not just use milk?

A bit of light cream is so much better in coffee than milk.

Or rather: Is it actually milk you put in coffee? So weird, why not use cream?

Re: Coffee reduces risk of Type 2 Diabetes; okay to add cream, but not sweetener

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Post by xethos »

globular-toast wrote: post #84
xethos wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's semi-reasonable in America, but less so in any country with single-payer health care. Like smoking, there are serious effects later in life that cost money to treat; this makes for a compelling case for a sin tax IMO, like we have for tobacco and liquor here in Canada.

> That's semi-reasonable in America Is it? You'll either have higher health insurance costs to cover the people destroying their bodies, or you'll have to prove to your insurance provider that you live a healthy lifestyle somehow. Both seem like a bad thing.

I agree with you, and I think the sin tax up here in the Great White North is great. There are more externalities than just the healthcare system having more, expensive, patients. To lead with a strong argument that's less likely to be nit-picked apart though, I avoided getting into that discussion for the USA
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