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Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by AlecSchueler » Fri, Mar 07, 2025, 3:21 PM UTC

attendant3446 wrote: post #263

AlecSchueler wrote: post #256

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I don't necessarily agree that better products sell the best. Better marketing, better sales, that's the capitalism I know, and European companies would do well to cash in on this generational marketing opportunity.

Okay, that's true, I agree - marketing is the main driver of sales. But it should be more than just "being European". At least it should not cost significantly more than comparable imported equivalents.

> But it should be more than just "being European".

Is it, or is this a strawman?

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by throwaway_20357 » Fri, Mar 07, 2025, 8:16 PM UTC

mogall wrote: post #216

I made an account specifically to post this comment here. I went to this website because i've been looking to buy a non-chinese wireless keyboard and mouse lately. So i looked up "keyboard" in the searchbar and the first company that came up in the search results is Logitech. And let me tell you, i spent last 2 months driving to every single tech shop and outlet imaginable(in a reasonable distance) and every single L…

"Solely made in China" is true for many electronic product categories, unfortunately. I love China but don't like any country dominating manufacturing to the extent we seem to have reached. For keyboards there is at least still the Topre Realforce. It is made in Japan. I am quite happy with it.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by consteval » Fri, Mar 07, 2025, 8:39 PM UTC

ajuc wrote: post #224

Goto80 wrote: post #37

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If that is the case, how did this government get a majority?

They don't support imperialism, but they also don't care enough to be against imperialism. They care about egg prices or their favorite culture wars more than about people dying elsewhere. It's egoism, simple as that.

I think it’s more complicated - this feels like a psychology and biology issue.

Those things are naturally closer to them which then means they generate stronger emotions. Just intuitively, emotions fuel pretty much all decisions. I mean, if heroin didn’t feel good people wouldn’t do it. If fast food didn’t taste good people wouldn’t eat it. Conversely, negative emotion create patterns of behavior.

Our behavior is complex and choice is a spectrum. I don’t really choose to brush my teeth, it just kind of happens. I can stop, but I don’t. I look around me and nobody stops brushing their teeth. Perhaps brushing our teeth is so popular because it creates positive emotions. Less shame, less worries, more comfort.

I think, those in power harness this quite effectively.!

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by galfarragem » Fri, Mar 07, 2025, 9:41 PM UTC

c03 wrote: post #11

zoul wrote: post #8

Not every european company embodies european values. As an example, Signal is listed as a US company people might want a european replacement for – and yet Signal represents european values much better than many of the alternatives.

This is a great point where nationality does not reflect political values. Many Americans exist that do not carry the opinion of their government, as do many Russians. If a global set of "Don't be an asshole" values could be defined, put into words, shared and progressed, it would have much greater value to a consumer and the world than merely going back to nationalism and protectionism.

> Many Americans exist that do not carry the opinion of their government, as do many Russians.

As do many Europeans...

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by parski » Sat, Mar 08, 2025, 7:42 AM UTC

hayst4ck wrote: post #264

c03 wrote: post #11

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This is a great point where nationality does not reflect political values. Many Americans exist that do not carry the opinion of their government, as do many Russians. If a global set of "Don't be an asshole" values could be defined, put into words, shared and progressed, it would have much greater value to a consumer and the world than merely going back to nationalism and protectionism.

> If a global set of "Don't be an asshole" values could be defined, The history of "rights" is what you're looking for, and this would come in the form of a list of rights. You would probably get a lot out of reading The Declaration of the Rights of Man ( https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/rightsof.asp ), as well as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights ( https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration…

Hear!

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by ajuc » Sat, Mar 08, 2025, 10:33 AM UTC

re-thc wrote: post #51

Goto80 wrote: post #37

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If that is the case, how did this government get a majority?

> how did this government get a majority? That's not what people voted for (agreeing with the government). They were given choices and to pick what they felt they preferred.

People have choosen to believe obvious lies because they wanted them to be true, not because they thought they were true. It's as much their fault as the politicians who lied to them.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by tomashm » Sat, Mar 08, 2025, 4:19 PM UTC

ysofunny wrote: post #81

don't european values include Monarchy?

The Norwegian King's speech on love, religion and acceptance (English subtitles)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQtLxYde-rw

Quote: "Norwegians are girls who love girls, boys who love boys, and girls and boys who love each other. Norwegians believe in God, Allah, the Universe, and Nothing."

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by re-thc » Sun, Mar 09, 2025, 10:48 AM UTC

ajuc wrote: post #286

re-thc wrote: post #51

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> how did this government get a majority? That's not what people voted for (agreeing with the government). They were given choices and to pick what they felt they preferred.

People have choosen to believe obvious lies because they wanted them to be true, not because they thought they were true. It's as much their fault as the politicians who lied to them.

> because they wanted them to be true

This assumes they even know what the truth is. We have discovered that a lot of people don't know how tariffs work for example.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by ajuc » Sun, Mar 09, 2025, 11:11 AM UTC

re-thc wrote: post #288

ajuc wrote: post #286

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People have choosen to believe obvious lies because they wanted them to be true, not because they thought they were true. It's as much their fault as the politicians who lied to them.

> because they wanted them to be true This assumes they even know what the truth is. We have discovered that a lot of people don't know how tariffs work for example.

They know enough to understand which way should their ignorance be pointed to support their worldview.

I've seen this countless times, I'm from eastern Poland, we had our own MAGA ruling for 8 years, and eastern Poland is where most of their voters come from.

When it benefits these people - they understand enough to know what the mainstream opinion is and they don't oppose it.

When it does not support their worldview - they suddenly stop believing the experts or forget what the expert opinion is.

Ignorance is not the root cause. It's a protection mechanism.

It's fascinating to watch at first, but after 8 years of this I'm just tired.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by kreetx » Sun, Mar 09, 2025, 12:54 PM UTC

AlecSchueler wrote: post #250

apwell23 wrote: post #227

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> Were you in a coma until a couple of hours ago and just read this thread without any prior context? lol whats with you and personal insults. maybe step away from the screen, take a breather, drink some tea or something.

I agree there's no need for personal insults here, it's not nice to see especially on HN where one comes to expect better, but I think you can understand the place of exasperation it was coming from. The American government has become vociferously hostile in a very pronounced way recently and for the people on the receiving end of the hostility it feels like an attack in itself to hear "what's the problem, why are yo…

The opinions on the government differ, the losing side appears to blame all and everything to the government. Although tariffs, if any, will definitely have an impact, but it doesn't seem like any startup will be blocked from selling to the US, and I don't see why will one not want to sell to the US if there are buyers there.