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Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by lpcvoid »

sras-me wrote: post #206
lpcvoid wrote: post #162

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It's a donation towards the greater good of Europe, so up to a certain amount I am absolutely for it. I have no say in taxation in the first place (well, indirectly through voting, but you know what I mean). 60% is excessive though, and would make it impossible for people to pay bills. That's detrimental for the future of Europe :)

Ok, now let us also take into account that as this conflict continue, the chance of a nuclear escalation goes up, day by day. Would you still support to fund this and make this conflict go on and on, possibly until someone becomes so desperate that they do something stupid?

Russia won't ever use a nuke, because then India and China are not going to support them again ever. I am not scared a single bit of any nuclear saber rattling. The biggest threat is an uncontested russia.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by maxglute »

mogall wrote: post #216

I made an account specifically to post this comment here. I went to this website because i've been looking to buy a non-chinese wireless keyboard and mouse lately. So i looked up "keyboard" in the searchbar and the first company that came up in the search results is Logitech. And let me tell you, i spent last 2 months driving to every single tech shop and outlet imaginable(in a reasonable distance) and every single L…

Manufacturing small % of value add. Spend $100 on keyboard, $20 goes to PRC, $80 goes to brand country. You pick whether $80 to goes to US company or Swiss company.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by ajuc »

c03 wrote: post #11
zoul wrote: post #8

Not every european company embodies european values. As an example, Signal is listed as a US company people might want a european replacement for – and yet Signal represents european values much better than many of the alternatives.

This is a great point where nationality does not reflect political values. Many Americans exist that do not carry the opinion of their government, as do many Russians. If a global set of "Don't be an asshole" values could be defined, put into words, shared and progressed, it would have much greater value to a consumer and the world than merely going back to nationalism and protectionism.

> Many Americans exist that do not carry the opinion of their government, as do many Russians.

Their taxes still support their governments and so do your purchases if you buy there.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by ajuc »

Goto80 wrote: post #37
a12k wrote: post #26

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> Many Americans exist that do not carry the opinion of their government, as do many Russians. I can’t speak for Russia because I have no data, but most Americans don’t carry the opinion of this government.

If that is the case, how did this government get a majority?

They don't support imperialism, but they also don't care enough to be against imperialism. They care about egg prices or their favorite culture wars more than about people dying elsewhere.

It's egoism, simple as that.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by apwell23 »

surgical_fire wrote: post #180
apwell23 wrote: post #166

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you are talking about something else now. I responded to "we did it already" . afaik europe is still heavily dependent on usa and nothing actually has changed. can you stay on topic and not resort to personal insults.

I think you just don't understand how international relations work. The US wanted those bases in Europe for its own interests. And you might not be aware, but the EU just announced a hefty package to rearm itself. I wouldn't be surprised if in the comings months the US is out of NATO and those US bases in Europe are shut down. And it is not really an insult, I still wonder if you are naive or dumb. I am friends with…

good, better late than never. no need to be angry.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by tacticalturtle »

walls wrote: post #211
greedylizard wrote: post #110

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The electoral college rigs the game. If one person equaled one vote, American government could look significantly different right now.

It would still have trump at the head of it.

In a world without an electoral college, I’m not sure you can say this.

Almost every state is winner take all in electoral votes.

I suspect there are a lot of discouraged voters who don’t vote, because they live in states where their opinion is overrun by the political slant of the state’s majority.

In a direct popular vote, their vote counts a lot more.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by apwell23 »

surgical_fire wrote: post #177
kreetx wrote: post #156

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If your startup is selling to US government, sure, but otherwise I don't think there is much unreliability in selling SaaS, courses, or whatever gadget to US residents?

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> Were you in a coma until a couple of hours ago and just read this thread without any prior context?

lol whats with you and personal insults. maybe step away from the screen, take a breather, drink some tea or something.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by protonbob »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #141
lynx97 wrote: post #20

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What are European values, actually? I don't think there is a lot that all member state citizens actually share, except for a lot of wishful thinking.

That’s the question that is easy to answer with a single document: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/treaty/char_2012/oj/eng

freedom of speech is notably absent here.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by surgical_fire »

apwell23 wrote: post #227
surgical_fire wrote: post #177

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> Were you in a coma until a couple of hours ago and just read this thread without any prior context? lol whats with you and personal insults. maybe step away from the screen, take a breather, drink some tea or something.

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Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by jxjnskkzxxhx »

zoul wrote: post #8

Not every european company embodies european values. As an example, Signal is listed as a US company people might want a european replacement for – and yet Signal represents european values much better than many of the alternatives.

You said "not every European company embodies European values", but as an example you mentioned an American company.
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