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The Authoritarian Regime Survival Guide

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Every single of these is happening in Hungary today. Literally.

Thank you for sharing. I'm in particular interested in what happens to women and minorities in Hungary. Can you tell us what the situation is like?

My POV and experience: ongoing marginalization.

According to propaganda, Orban is building a family-friendly place. This is proclaimed loudly in the media, and at points where you enter the country (like metal signs saying "Welcome to the family friendly Hungary").

These family values is the usual alt-right dogwhistle, however. Same as how it's used in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_values#Organizations . In reality, the systems that actually support families, healthcare and education, are more strained than ever, due to the gov increasing their responsibility, and underfunding them constantly.

Couples are pushed to marry and have children, by providing discounted loans for them, if they sign contracts that they will bear children. Up to three, the more children they sign up for, the higher the loan will be.

They have amended the hungarian constitution to say explicitly that the mother is a woman, and the father is a man. The particular part now reads: "Hungary protects the institution of marriage as a voluntary union between a man and a woman, and the family as the basis for the survival of the nation. The basis of the family relationship is marriage and the parent-child relationship. The mother is a woman, the father is a man."

"The West" and progressive societal values are actively framed as harmful propaganda that intends to destabilize the country. Values like supporting women and lgbt+, supporting investigative journalism, having a look on migration as anything other than "very harmful".

Abortion laws are strictened. They included things like the mother having to listen to the fetus' heartbeat, before agreeing to the abortion procedure. Frankly, I think this is so evil, that I have a very hard time not to write something that wishes active harm towards these people.

Doctors don't take women seriously, and are often hostile or degrading towards them. This is not a politically directed issue, rather the result of the previous 50-100 years of political climates. For example, a female friend of mine went to a regular checkup, where the PRIVATE, for-profit gynecologist asked her if she has children, and when she said that she doesn't, and that they don't plan to have children with her husband, the doctor recommended that she reconsider, and that he can organize it that she gets pregnant, despite what the husband wants.

Hungary has a significant Roma minority. Many of the Roma people live below the poverty line, and their relation to the Hungarian population, government and law enforcement is a systemic, centuries-old issue. The current government does exactly nothing for them, nor in the short term nor towards their long-term well-being, but uses public figures of their culture to signal their support and association, and buys their votes with cheap gestures right before the elections.

LGBT people, and issues are not just marginalized, but the movement is branded as something that actively destroys society. LGBT families are regarded as unfit to raise children, they can be life partners with some of the marriage benefits, but not in a recognized marriage, and the Pride parade has been floated as something to be outlawed just this year.

These are just from the top of my head, in 30 minutes. Please feel free to ask any follow-up questions or proof, or post clarifications and corrections, I'm sure there are mistakes, and I don't intend to have any, as the well-being of my fellows is dear to my heart. Thanks for reading.

Re: The Authoritarian Regime Survival Guide

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Thank you for sharing. I'm in particular interested in what happens to women and minorities in Hungary. Can you tell us what the situation is like?

Search for 'abortion hungary' or 'hungary lgbti' in media like The Guardian for a general overview of Orbán's Hungary: 'Budapest Pride should be held indoors for ‘child protection’, says Orbán official' 'Hungary tightens abortion access with listen to ‘foetal heartbeat’ rule' I'm more interested in knowing if there are any glimmers of hope left in Hungary.

>I'm more interested in knowing if there are any glimmers of hope left in Hungary.

Absolutely. In my opinion, our lifeline is the EU, as much as Orban is a pain in the ass for them. I believe that as long as Hungary is part of such international organizations, and I'm counting the NATO here as well, Orban can't cross certain borders, or at least not without repercussions, and I believe that he doesn't want any, since his whole shtick is to capitalize on these relations. For example, the same developments would have been (are?) much more scarier in Turkiye, or Belarus.

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I consider myself to be quite the socialist. Would probably vote democrat in a two party system like that of the US (where I live I can choose between about a dozen parties, the largest of which will then, together, govern). But I also listen to Joe Rogan from time to time, just out of curiosity. It helps me see “the other side” as the kind humans that they are.

You listened to Rogan and your takeaway was “kind human”?

Re: The Authoritarian Regime Survival Guide

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Most importantly: 1) authoritarian regime takes your guns and ability to defend yourself 2) it will criminalise normal behavior, so it can prosecute anyone at will (everyone has to break laws) 3) it tries to destroy family

3) it tries to destroy family This point is nonsense, most authoritarian regimes do exactly the opposite, they promote traditional family values. Take for example the regimes of Putin, Hitler, Orban.

Well, if you’re the right sort of family. If you’re part of the out groups they will not hesitate to destroy family.

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I consider myself to be quite the socialist. Would probably vote democrat in a two party system like that of the US (where I live I can choose between about a dozen parties, the largest of which will then, together, govern). But I also listen to Joe Rogan from time to time, just out of curiosity. It helps me see “the other side” as the kind humans that they are.

You listened to Rogan and your takeaway was “kind human”?

For sure, yours wasn't? He has some weird takes on aliens, but I can see how conservatives see him as a good example for their children on topics like social media use, taking care of your body and mind through sports and socials gatherings, based a lot on traditional christian values. I think it is very easy to take what he says out of context and thus find it important to listen to his whole podcast from time to time.

I'm not a christian, in fact I went through a rioting-atheism phase when I was young. But I'm older now, I see the good sides of religion, along with the bad sides, which makes me understand what they desire.

He remarked (in an interview with Adam Curry) that he'd give Harris a fair chance, was interested in her as a person, would, in an interview, try to show the world her best human side. I believe that he would have.

Before they blocked it over here I read Russia Today every now and then (sure I can set proton-vpn to exit in Albania and still read it but I don't really bother anymore). Yes it's propaganda, but the fear of NATO is palpable and reading RT breeds understanding for the people that get fed this news on a daily basis, even though it goes against my own worldviews.

Trying to explain the world-view of this other side usually gets me flagged here, as if I somehow say that that side is better. I don't feel it that way. There are some online communities that welcome this open type of discussion. It is my opinion that is is important to engage in such open discussions

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You might be meaning something smart and good or something not so smart and good, but I only realized on my second reading. What I mean is there is absolutely room somewhere between the current situation (examples from Norway) where: - every road end up costing more than in comparable countries because no decision is final and everyone has a say - school problems because teachers are not allowed to act, even in clear…

> - Why do I have to choose between 1. people who deny that trans people exist and 2. people who think that it isn't a problem when one inmate gets another inmate pregnant in a women's only prison? And how often has the latter actually happened? That is part of the polarization issue: absolute nothingburgers are blown way out of proportion or outright manufactured as a "strawman" strategy. Besides, the threat for wom…

> And how often has the latter actually happened?

Exact amount of times it happen doesn't matter as much as the fact that one side tries to pretend it isn't a problem.

> there is no 100% foolproof system that allows for no cheating like the anti-migrant crowd tends to suggest. No matter what there will always be a certain percentage of fraud in any system.

That is not what I am suggesting.

And I think you are actually proving my point here.

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Why not just leave? I mean for those who can afford. Especially when this is happening in a country with so many firearms. It could quickly be easier to resist from a safe place.

"resist from a safe place?" If you leave, you no longer have any right to any say in the old place.

And what if the new place develops it's own problems? Wander the globe forever in hopes of finding a magical place?

If your roomate shits in your living room, "you should move out" is the second to last choice. The last choice is stay and live with it. The first and second choices in undecided order are correct the offenders behavior or make them leave.

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> - Why do I have to choose between 1. people who deny that trans people exist and 2. people who think that it isn't a problem when one inmate gets another inmate pregnant in a women's only prison? And how often has the latter actually happened? That is part of the polarization issue: absolute nothingburgers are blown way out of proportion or outright manufactured as a "strawman" strategy. Besides, the threat for wom…

> And how often has the latter actually happened? Often enough to demonstrate that incarcerating males in women's prisons on the basis of self-declared "gender identity" is harmful policy that needs to be removed and cancelled everywhere it's been implemented. It's worth keeping in mind that the reason we have sex-segregated prisons in the first place is because mixed-sex prisons were so demonstrably harmful to femal…

> It's worth keeping in mind that the reason we have sex-segregated prisons in the first place is because mixed-sex prisons were so demonstrably harmful to female inmates, who were subjected to physical violence, sexual assault, rape, impregnation by male prisoners.

The problem then are male prisoners, are they not? In fact, trans women are 13 times more likely to be assaulted in prison [1] than cis-male ones.

The solution is obvious - more guards in prison, segregate prisoners with a violence or sexual assault history, and maybe imprison less people in the first place because many prisons are plain and simple overcrowded.

> Whereas the latter - eliminating male physical advantage from competition - is necessary for fairness and, in the case of contact sports, for safety.

Regarding the safety aspect in contact sports - I think the better solution is to leave that decision to the women themselves, but generally I'd more argue to ban or seriously restrict contact sports because a looot of them have had very nasty links to brain injuries uncovered.

> Evidence-based policy approaches typically draw the line at the male physical advantage of testosterone-driven development.

The question remains: do we really want to require athletes to submit to full-blown genetic and hormonal assays? Do we really want to require minor athletes to submit to genital examinations for no medical reason? The obsession a lot of people have with genitalia is absurd.

[1] https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/23/us/trans-women-incarcerat...

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I've always admired Hungary and Hungarians. Very prodigious people. Neumann, Erdős, Teller, Szilard, Grove, Simonyi. Is there a country that breeds more geniuses per capita? How comes Hungary's political situation came to this?

moscow invaded them after WW2 and caused their power class to rot.

Before that, there was already a pattern of Hungary regularly rebelling at the reformist movement in the Austria-Hungary empire.

Re: The Authoritarian Regime Survival Guide

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Thank you for sharing. I'm in particular interested in what happens to women and minorities in Hungary. Can you tell us what the situation is like?

My POV and experience: ongoing marginalization. According to propaganda, Orban is building a family-friendly place. This is proclaimed loudly in the media, and at points where you enter the country (like metal signs saying "Welcome to the family friendly Hungary"). These family values is the usual alt-right dogwhistle, however. Same as how it's used in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_values#Organizations…

I would like to invite downvoters to elaborate on their perspective.
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