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The Authoritarian Regime Survival Guide

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Re: The Authoritarian Regime Survival Guide

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Every single of these is happening in Hungary today. Literally.

Thank you for sharing. I'm in particular interested in what happens to women and minorities in Hungary. Can you tell us what the situation is like?

Search for 'abortion hungary' or 'hungary lgbti' in media like The Guardian for a general overview of Orbán's Hungary:

'Budapest Pride should be held indoors for ‘child protection’, says Orbán official'

'Hungary tightens abortion access with listen to ‘foetal heartbeat’ rule'

I'm more interested in knowing if there are any glimmers of hope left in Hungary.

Re: The Authoritarian Regime Survival Guide

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Most importantly: 1) authoritarian regime takes your guns and ability to defend yourself 2) it will criminalise normal behavior, so it can prosecute anyone at will (everyone has to break laws) 3) it tries to destroy family

3) it tries to destroy family This point is nonsense, most authoritarian regimes do exactly the opposite, they promote traditional family values. Take for example the regimes of Putin, Hitler, Orban.

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Re: The Authoritarian Regime Survival Guide

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History may not repeat, but it absolutely rhymes. If had a nickel for every time I heard about a government proposing to round up and deport thousands of people to a special island just so that their normal Constitution rules wouldn't apply, I'd have two nickels--which isn't a lot, but it's weird it happened twice.

Unfortunately, remote detention camps to "keep the homeland clean" are nothing new, they are tried and tested. Here in Europe, we have had the UK and Italy actively pursuing rounding up migrants and deporting them to Ruanda/Albania until their claims are processed, and Australia has been doing this for decades now on Nauru and other places.

Possibly the migrants could enter the country using the approved legal process instead of just wandering in?

It isn't reasonable to expect countries to have a generous welfare system, accept all arrivals and exist on the same planet at the billion-odd people who live on a few dollars a day. Something has to give. I vote the welfare system but keep getting overruled; so one of the other two has to go. And we don't have the space tech to pick option 3.

Re: The Authoritarian Regime Survival Guide

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This worldview where one side is evil/authoritarian and the other is good/free/liberal is the root of a lot of suffering in the world. It's a flawed worldview that made Americans end up with dysfunctional politicians, because you reward ideological rhetoric more than real, pragmatic long-term planing.

You might be meaning something smart and good or something not so smart and good, but I only realized on my second reading. What I mean is there is absolutely room somewhere between the current situation (examples from Norway) where: - every road end up costing more than in comparable countries because no decision is final and everyone has a say - school problems because teachers are not allowed to act, even in clear…

> - Why do I have to choose between 1. people who deny that trans people exist and 2. people who think that it isn't a problem when one inmate gets another inmate pregnant in a women's only prison?

And how often has the latter actually happened? That is part of the polarization issue: absolute nothingburgers are blown way out of proportion or outright manufactured as a "strawman" strategy. Besides, the threat for women in prison aren't fellow trans inmates, it is guards whose power is completely unchecked in prison.

> Or in sports, were womens sports, were people who were male athletes who never had a chance can transition and easily win as women?

"Easily" is not the word I'd describe. An actual transition is very risky and taxing on the body, being on 'roids or whatever is more comfortable than that from what I hear.

In any case, segregation of men and women in sports is a relatively new thing in history, dating back to around 1920-ish when the first bans for women appeared under the guise of "protecting their health / modesty". Plain and simple, men were afraid that women were just as competitive as they were, most sports are skill sports and not brute-strength sports.

Additionally, what even makes a man and a woman? Simply nailing it down to penises and vaginas doesn't cut it, there's quite a ton of different hormonal disorders that give you an XX person presenting as a man or an XY person presenting as a woman. Often enough that's only caught when they grow up to be adults and discover they're infertile because everything else "just works". And then come all the other examples in the spectrum between the poles. Where does one want to draw the line?

The more sensible thing is to rank athletes on other metrics: body weight and body fat/muscle distribution, age, or skill level like chess (mostly) does.

> - or why do I have to choose between 1. people who hate certain groups of people and 2. people who think it is OK when others arrive here and openly abuse our hospitality?

It's not OK but JFC there is no 100% foolproof system that allows for no cheating like the anti-migrant crowd tends to suggest. No matter what there will always be a certain percentage of fraud in any system.

> Why did it take years to expel an internationally wanted terrorist?

Dunno about this specific case since it lacks context, but everyone has the right to due process, including non white people.

> There certainly is a lot of room between these options.

Yeah, not to even engage in discussions with people who just want to cause pain and drama and manufacture problems. A lot of that is manufactured by Russia or other enemies anyway - turns out "think of the children" can be modernized to "think of the women", it's a perfect wedge issue since it is very hard to argue against the emotional message with facts.

[1] https://daily.jstor.org/gender-incommensurability-in-sports/

Re: The Authoritarian Regime Survival Guide

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

3) it tries to destroy family This point is nonsense, most authoritarian regimes do exactly the opposite, they promote traditional family values. Take for example the regimes of Putin, Hitler, Orban.

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I'm lost. Do you mean my comment was woke? If yes, why?

Re: The Authoritarian Regime Survival Guide

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Unfortunately, remote detention camps to "keep the homeland clean" are nothing new, they are tried and tested. Here in Europe, we have had the UK and Italy actively pursuing rounding up migrants and deporting them to Ruanda/Albania until their claims are processed, and Australia has been doing this for decades now on Nauru and other places.

Possibly the migrants could enter the country using the approved legal process instead of just wandering in? It isn't reasonable to expect countries to have a generous welfare system, accept all arrivals and exist on the same planet at the billion-odd people who live on a few dollars a day. Something has to give. I vote the welfare system but keep getting overruled; so one of the other two has to go. And we don't hav…

> Possibly the migrants could enter the country using the approved legal process instead of just wandering in?

For Germany, there is no legal way to enter the country if you're not caught by one of the larger dragnets (evacuation of personnel in Afghanistan, EU-wide assistance for Ukrainians and a few other rare international resettlement efforts). You are not able to apply for asylum outside of Germany, you cannot fly to Germany without a visa (the airline just won't take you as a passenger).

On paper yes you have the right to claim asylum. In practice, you have no way that doesn't make you commit at least one felony along the way.

Re: The Authoritarian Regime Survival Guide

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Is this really an authoritarian regime survival guide or a not-too-hidden jab at the Trump presidency? Like I don't see too many of the items applying to classically authoritarian regimes like China. Let's apply the guide's own advice: > Always think critically, fact-check and point out the truth, expose ignorance with facts. The guide after all is written by Eastern / Europeans, the people is getting expropriated th…

Yeah, I mean the supreme court already knocked down Trump's whole USAID thing. The US is very far from authoritarianism, the institutions seem quite strong and thats something I believe Americans recognized when they voted for him, that it was just a bit of a risk but it was unlikely he would actually be successful in toppling the government.

> Americans recognized when they voted for him, that it was just a bit of a risk but it was unlikely he would actually be successful in toppling the government

Americans voted in someone that risked their whole 200+ years of democratic history knowingly? That would make it all even more absurd than it already is, risking a whole system of government, trust from international partners, respect from adversaries, the trade-off would never make any sense.

> The US is very far from authoritarianism, the institutions seem quite strong

Do they? They haven't even be put to test yet, the Congress is definitely not strong (there's no pushback from any voice of reason from the president's own party), the Supreme Court is voting 5-4 on matters that are almost blatantly unconstitutional. I'll agree that institutions are strong when enforcement of a decision completely adversarial to the current administration's goals is put to test and prevail. At this exact moment there's no sign that American institutions are anywhere near as strong as it was once thought.

Re: The Authoritarian Regime Survival Guide

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Serious question: Why on earth is this flagged? I thought sharing strategies against authoritarianism would be as free speech, open discourse as it gets. Open discourse as promoted here on this site is among the first targets in any authoritarian society. We tech people should be merit based — vuess which form of society prevents exactly this? Suddenly instead of appointing the manager of a nuclear plant based on mer…

In general, have a look at one of the many comments dang has written about why submissions are flagged, particularly lately. https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=dang

Wrt this comment and submission: Maybe people don't like their blood boiling here?

I suspect that people are not asking why it's flagged to understand why but rather stating that they disagree with the flagging, but I might be wrong...

As the guidelines say, comments about downvotes and flagging are to be avoided generally. I'm commenting because it's already flagged and only few will see the negative impact of my boring comment! I hope it leads some to more understanding and away from fear anyhow.

Given there are many questions about flagging by invested users, answering them would be indeed tedious!

Re: The Authoritarian Regime Survival Guide

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

3) it tries to destroy family This point is nonsense, most authoritarian regimes do exactly the opposite, they promote traditional family values. Take for example the regimes of Putin, Hitler, Orban.

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What does this mean? Please be more substantial on your dismissals, it's really hard to read between the lines of what you try to allude to when reading your word salads...

Re: The Authoritarian Regime Survival Guide

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Possibly the migrants could enter the country using the approved legal process instead of just wandering in? It isn't reasonable to expect countries to have a generous welfare system, accept all arrivals and exist on the same planet at the billion-odd people who live on a few dollars a day. Something has to give. I vote the welfare system but keep getting overruled; so one of the other two has to go. And we don't hav…

> Possibly the migrants could enter the country using the approved legal process instead of just wandering in? For Germany, there is no legal way to enter the country if you're not caught by one of the larger dragnets (evacuation of personnel in Afghanistan, EU-wide assistance for Ukrainians and a few other rare international resettlement efforts). You are not able to apply for asylum outside of Germany, you cannot f…

Germany: We don't want you!

People: [Let's go to Germany]

Germany: Get out.

People: How dare you round us up and deport us.

I know nearly nothing about German law, but I going by what you write if Germany doesn't make it legal to enter the country, then no surprise the people who try anyway run the risk of being deported. I have enormous sympathy for them, but the fact is Germany is famous for having a big welfare system. That means people can't just wander in.

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