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Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by kennethwolters »

0xCaponte wrote: post #67

European values, like consumer protection, privacy, and environmental standards, are, in my view, among the best in the world. However, bureaucracy and politics push them in the wrong direction or tie everything up. I had never thought much about this before, but I now plan to look more into supporting European industries. However, only for products of comparable quality. If a product doesn’t measure up, I don’t see…

not an attempt at rebutting or so, just adding my thoughts:

It doesn't matter if the product is great because of those values if there is a lack product (bc politics and bureaucracy make it infeasible to produce). Makes you think if those values might contribute to the bad politics and bureaucracy. And if so, how.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by alistairSH »

Goto80 wrote: post #37
a12k wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Many Americans exist that do not carry the opinion of their government, as do many Russians. I can’t speak for Russia because I have no data, but most Americans don’t carry the opinion of this government.

If that is the case, how did this government get a majority?

Trump won 49.x% of the vote.

But the US doesn’t have direct presidential elections. It has an archaic, anti-democratic system called the Electoral College, which grants land in Wyoming greater relative weight than people in Texas.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by oytis »

zaruvi wrote: post #36
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #17

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>Not every european company embodies european values. What even are "European values"? Is there such thing? Every EU country I know has varying values to the other members, that's why we have separate borders, languages, religions, cultures and laws with autonomy over them. The EU is not one-nation one-culture like the US, but an org that doesn't impose any kind of universal values across the different diverse member…

Please don't conflate Europe (the continent) and the European Union.

Continent is a mass of land, it can't have values. E.g. countries on the European continent include Turkey and Russia. European Union on the other hand explicitly declares shared values.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by netsharc »

jansan wrote: post #59

What are "European Values"? Are they identical to the values of the EU, that are in section 2 of the Treaty of European Union: "The Union is founded on the values of respect for human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law and respect for human rights, including the rights of persons belonging to minorities."[1] Also, did all the listed companies sign a codex that they will adhere to those values? And…

Honestly the way the EU pays countries to catch refugees leaving their shorelines headed to the EU, I'm not even sure the EU conforms to that statement...

Amazon makes their warehouse workers pee in bottles, much respect for dignity there. Oh wait I hear that happens in Non-EU Britain, so that's not a problem! /s

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by gizzlon »

finnjohnsen2 wrote: post #82

I am working on this, and here are my personal observations thus far; # Low hanging fruit: - Food and clothes, like Coca Cola, Snickers, Nike, Levis, The North Face etc - Mondelez. This is hard because they own so much. But obvious things like Oreo and Corn Flakes are easy. - Social Media I rarely use. For me this was Snapchat, Instagram, WhatsApp, X, Bluesky and Messenger. # Harder to ditch - Facebook. Family :( - M…

I would argue to that not all US companies are the same. Both ethically and based on risk.

Tesla is directly supporting Elon, and IMO much worse than, say, Netflix. Also probably more risky, as Elon is probably more pilled that the CEO of Netflix and Google

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by closewith »

simion314 wrote: post #58
closewith wrote: post #21

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I'm not sure that's the best example, as Signal places a strong emphasis on personal freedoms which is _not_ particularly representative of European values at this time.

Yeah, you can't be a nazi in Europe, promoting political assasination and genocide has consequences there,

Yes, I agree. Signal is inherently contrary to the statism en vogue in most European nations at this time, and why they have repeatedly affirmed that they would leave the EU rather than allow user surveillance should Chat Control 2.0 or 3.0 be passed (rather Orwellianly officially named the "Regulation to Prevent and Combat Child Sexual Abuse (Child Sexual Abuse Regulation)".

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by rsynnott »

sras-me wrote: post #68
meijer wrote: post #40

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There is broad consensus in Europe that we don't want to be like Trumpist America.

>There is broad consensus in Europe.. How is this measured actually? By what the media and public institutions say? Is there poll targeted at the common working man that says the same? I highly doubts so.

I mean, Google exists: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/12/europeans-se...

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by lpcvoid »

johngladtj wrote: post #44
amarcheschi wrote: post #25

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While every country has its own culture and values, the European union is founded, at least theoretically, on some shared values such as promoting peace, democracy (...) Well, one might say that we sell weapons to dictatorships (and they would be correct), but at least on paper there are some shared values we more or less share throughout European union. Full list here: https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-cou…

Promoting peace and democracy? By arresting politicians opposed to them and funding and supporting wars?

The favorite russian playbook, framing people who support Ukraine's right to self defense in face of a genocidal invasion as warmongers.

EU security == Ukraine security.

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