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Re: US stops sharing intelligence on Russia with Ukraine

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Post by ashoeafoot »

tim333 wrote: post #55
ashoeafoot wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For now. When trump starts his own Ukraine to get rid off internal opposition , the care will return like a howling drone swarm.

Just today he's threatening "American students will be permanently expelled or, depending on on the crime, arrested" for "illegal protests" by which doesn't sound very American.

The very students who for a generation easily abandoned their fellow men to suffer through poverty, industrial buildback, opiod crisis to instead bestow solidarity upon insane death cults? The students who celebrated past guilt,to ease their present guilt for class traitorship, those students ? A million treaties on slavery and a can of paint for slavery in the present, if its not us?

the brahmans of the castes of suffering who used any way to reduce uncomfortable topics down to screaming racism and bigotry, while getting funded by the same foreign racists and bigots that funded MAGA?

The "social might makes right" group, that screamed down all "non-issues" with discussion air superiority instead of real arguments ? The education that gave us a whole generation of elites unable to deal with reality, red line after red line, one huge selfcelebrated retrat into defeat, the education of these students? The scientific papermill bastions that produced and imported a never ending replication crisis in most fields are under siege? Shocking! Of course no reason to panic, analyse or introspect, pure conservation inertia will keep it all going forever and a day!

Those students need help? Im sure the public will rally to their cause immediately. Everything for our whinest and dinest, those inept,inbred dynasties have to offer. The counter-elite they have grown is taking the cake and they still can not rally. But the students sure will, bound by debt and sentenced to generational poverty .

Or they will at least hijack any valid protest to park their divisive dysfunctional poison one last time .

Re: US stops sharing intelligence on Russia with Ukraine

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Post by Greyfoscam »

rasz wrote: post #13
goatlover wrote: post #10

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If it's solely on Russia's terms, why should Ukraine accept a deal? Zelensky knows Putin can't be trusted, the Trump admin pretends it doesn't know that.

I finally heard a politician openly tell it how it is today! Current French Senator Claude Malhuret https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-lh0TUTtvI : >Washington became the court of Nero, an incendiary emperor, submissive courtiers and a jester under ketamine in charge of the purification of the public service. >in one month, Trump has done more harm to America than in four years of his last presidency. We were at war ag…

That seems more like more of the same grandstanding that created this problem, Russia Bad I don't disagree. Being surprised when you let America foot the bill for security and looking the other way when they create proxy conflicts to serve their goals only to complain when the US drops the mask and says you let me do what I want as long as you didn't have to foot the bill and responsibility and now it's FU time seemed the only likely outcome. This also works in the US favor Europe has to shift focus and divert resources to Russia.That creates financial opportunities the us can exploit. Trade wars make money, Real wars drain resources. Financial and population. After the war how many Anti Russian citizens will be alive to vote. Switching gears China has strong interest in the fresh water and resources near their border that Russia could trade or even lose if Russia can be made weak enough. Russia has a wealth of facts to twist into propaganda. Honestly restricting this narrative to something as simple as Russia Bad just guarantees the US laughs all the way to the bank.

Re: US stops sharing intelligence on Russia with Ukraine

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Post by throw16180339 »

tim333 wrote: post #54
twy128391287 wrote: post #16

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They would recognize Crimea and all four partially occupied oblasts as Russian. They would support the annexation of additional oblasts that Russia claims belong to "Novorossia". Freezing the conflict is NOT what Russia wants right now. If one is extremely cynical, one could claim that the recent actions are a signal to Moscow to hurry up and finish the business in Donetsk/Zaphorizia so that a stable peace deal can b…

I think the WW2 lend lease was quite generous to Britain.

We charged the UK quite heavily for our support. Quoting from (https://yarchive.net/space/politics/lend_lease.html).

In a political sense, well, that's much more debatable. The problem there is that because the US itself did not feel threatened, US aid came with a price tag: the impoverishment of Britain and the demolition of the trade barriers around the British Commonwealth. US aid was on a cash-only basis until Britain had spent all its hard-currency reserves (both gold and negotiable securities). Then came the Lend-Lease agreement -- arguably the point where the US truly entered the war -- and its price tag was explicit, although unadvertised: the agreement itself contains a clause stipulating the removal of the Commonwealth's trade barriers.

Re: US stops sharing intelligence on Russia with Ukraine

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Post by beveldropshadow »

ashoeafoot wrote: post #61
tim333 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just today he's threatening "American students will be permanently expelled or, depending on on the crime, arrested" for "illegal protests" by which doesn't sound very American.

The very students who for a generation easily abandoned their fellow men to suffer through poverty, industrial buildback, opiod crisis to instead bestow solidarity upon insane death cults? The students who celebrated past guilt,to ease their present guilt for class traitorship, those students ? A million treaties on slavery and a can of paint for slavery in the present, if its not us? the brahmans of the castes of su…

There is a relevant document you might be interested in with respect to this topic.

Re: US stops sharing intelligence on Russia with Ukraine

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Post by an_guy »

rasz wrote: post #13
goatlover wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's solely on Russia's terms, why should Ukraine accept a deal? Zelensky knows Putin can't be trusted, the Trump admin pretends it doesn't know that.

I finally heard a politician openly tell it how it is today! Current French Senator Claude Malhuret https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-lh0TUTtvI : >Washington became the court of Nero, an incendiary emperor, submissive courtiers and a jester under ketamine in charge of the purification of the public service. >in one month, Trump has done more harm to America than in four years of his last presidency. We were at war ag…

I love how all these European politicians wants US to send more money and weapons to Ukraine while thier own individual contributions are significantly lower.

If they want to fight so bad, why not spend more % of their own gdp, especially French and Germany who are close to the situation.

> Germany's Merz seems to know whats going on, but is still trying to be veeeery diplomatic about it.

They literally have no other option. If they could continue war on thier own, they won't be "trying to be veeeery diplomatic about it"

Re: US stops sharing intelligence on Russia with Ukraine

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Post by ashoeafoot »

beveldropshadow wrote: post #64
ashoeafoot wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The very students who for a generation easily abandoned their fellow men to suffer through poverty, industrial buildback, opiod crisis to instead bestow solidarity upon insane death cults? The students who celebrated past guilt,to ease their present guilt for class traitorship, those students ? A million treaties on slavery and a can of paint for slavery in the present, if its not us? the brahmans of the castes of su…

There is a relevant document you might be interested in with respect to this topic.

Not really.

Re: US stops sharing intelligence on Russia with Ukraine

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Post by netsharc »

ossobuco wrote: post #44
netsharc wrote: post #43

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> haha wow triggered. Sorry, no WWIII for you! But you're still in time to join the fight as a foreign mercenary if it's war you crave.

See, this is why the "discussion" you crave can't happen. We all just assume shit (like that I'm craving war) and throw insults at each other. A while ago I was arguing online and I realized, "Why am I wasting my time and mental energy trying to convince some fucking moron I don't even give a shit about?" (Yeah I know, here I am doing that again). If it were someone whose opinion I care about, I would bother, but a twat like you? It's much easier to just see your comment and think "Fucking idiot. Flag, downvote.", and probably not even be wrong about the snap judgement.

Feel free to think "Fucking Ukranian war-dodging leeches!" and we can both live in our bubbles.

BTW if Ukraine surrenders, do you think the number of Ukranian refugees in Europe will decrease, or increase? I'm sure your intellect will come up with the correct (for you) answer...

Re: US stops sharing intelligence on Russia with Ukraine

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Post by snailmailstare »

snailmailstare wrote: post #19
JimTheMan wrote: post #15

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Historically bombing civilians has always galvanised the public against the enemy more than it 'demoralises' them. For instance the bombing of England during WW2 didn't break their will to fight. The fire bombing of 95% of Japan's cities didn't diminish their will to fight either. And let's not forget the vietnam war... didn't seem to be effective for the US... Bombing civilians rarely achieves any war goals and may…

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Apparently the delusion of exceptionalism affecting physics didn't die with the entirely equatable Afghanistan experiences or am I supposed to take something else from silent down votes?

Re: US stops sharing intelligence on Russia with Ukraine

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Post by ossobuco »

ojl wrote: post #42
ossobuco wrote: post #40

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> or your -- I suspect -- other account ossobuco Calling anyone who wants peace a bot or troll or foreign agent won't change things. It will only show that you are very displased at the idea that we won't get WWIII. Not a great look, trust me.

Or russia could maybe just leave? Quickest and smoothest way to get peace.

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Re: US stops sharing intelligence on Russia with Ukraine

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Post by ossobuco »

netsharc wrote: post #43
ossobuco wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> or your -- I suspect -- other account ossobuco Calling anyone who wants peace a bot or troll or foreign agent won't change things. It will only show that you are very displased at the idea that we won't get WWIII. Not a great look, trust me.

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lmao wow triggered. Sorry, no WWIII for you! But you're still in time to join the fight as a foreign mercenary if it's war you crave.
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