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US stops sharing intelligence on Russia with Ukraine

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Re: US stops sharing intelligence on Russia with Ukraine

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Post by mola »

qdwu wrote: post #35
poincaredisk wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The war will not stop as long as Ukraine exists. This attack was unprompted by Ukraine, and was just explicitly an annexation plan. They failed to execute it fully, but you're still willing to give in to all their demands. Let me remind you that Kremlin's position on Ukraine is "there is no Ukraine" - as in they don't really have a right for independence. In other words, I believe you're just repeating Russian propag…

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What western politics? That's no west anymore. Putin's sock puppet had dismantled it within a month of gaining power.

Re: US stops sharing intelligence on Russia with Ukraine

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Post by tim333 »

fjfaase wrote: post #24

Some are suggesting this is because recent gains that Ukraine is making as the army of Russia is getting exhausted also because of some recent succesful destruction of large stockpiles of ammunition by drone attacks.

Seems more likely due the new president.

Re: US stops sharing intelligence on Russia with Ukraine

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Post by tim333 »

twy128391287 wrote: post #16
exe34 wrote: post #5

If the US were working for Russia, what would they do differently other than supply weapons to Russia and/or join on their side? Each day it takes more and more faith to believe the opposite.

They would recognize Crimea and all four partially occupied oblasts as Russian. They would support the annexation of additional oblasts that Russia claims belong to "Novorossia". Freezing the conflict is NOT what Russia wants right now. If one is extremely cynical, one could claim that the recent actions are a signal to Moscow to hurry up and finish the business in Donetsk/Zaphorizia so that a stable peace deal can b…

I think the WW2 lend lease was quite generous to Britain.

Re: US stops sharing intelligence on Russia with Ukraine

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Post by tim333 »

ashoeafoot wrote: post #12
goatlover wrote: post #4

The US implementing Russian's foreign policy is something I didn't think possible. Trump clearly idolizes Putin (if not worse), and his supporters don't care.

For now. When trump starts his own Ukraine to get rid off internal opposition , the care will return like a howling drone swarm.

Just today he's threatening "American students will be permanently expelled or, depending on on the crime, arrested" for "illegal protests" by which doesn't sound very American.

Re: US stops sharing intelligence on Russia with Ukraine

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Post by russian_troll »

netsharc wrote: post #37
r40Uajd wrote: post #34

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Your 2nd line is a unsupported claim, plus you paint the refugees as social security leeches. Can I counter-claim, that you're a worm-brained Russian troll (like RFK's worm, which can be the right-wingers' version of the "woke mind virus"), with a 10 minute old account? Yeah, "discussion" seems a lot harder than downvoting idiotic claims. What is this "peace" you (or your -- I suspect -- other account ossobuco, his i…

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Re: US stops sharing intelligence on Russia with Ukraine

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Post by goatlover »

qdwu wrote: post #35
poincaredisk wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The war will not stop as long as Ukraine exists. This attack was unprompted by Ukraine, and was just explicitly an annexation plan. They failed to execute it fully, but you're still willing to give in to all their demands. Let me remind you that Kremlin's position on Ukraine is "there is no Ukraine" - as in they don't really have a right for independence. In other words, I believe you're just repeating Russian propag…

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Did you mean to type Russians? I'm confused by your comment.

Re: US stops sharing intelligence on Russia with Ukraine

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Post by bojan »

thqzT wrote: post #30
poincaredisk wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Letting Russia get what it wants and inch ever closer to the center of Europe brings us closer to WWIII, not further away. It's enabling the aggressor and Russia will not stop - why would it? I hate to invoke Godwin's law, but if Hitler was stopped at Czechoslovakia, and then Poland, maybe we wouldn't have WWII. But the world didn't care back then, and apparently it still doesn't.

There have been thousands of border conflicts in Europe's history where a larger nation annexed small territories inhabited by its own ethic minority (or even majority). Most of them have not ended in a world war. We do not need to retake Karelia for Finland to prevent a world war. We no not need to take Gibraltar for Spain to prevent a world war. What about Northern Ireland? How about retaking Northern Cyprus for Gr…

> Most of them have not ended in a world war.

historically, two out of the last three have ended in a world war. The only exception being the Balkan wars of the 1990s when the collective West did choose to heavily intervene.

Re: US stops sharing intelligence on Russia with Ukraine

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Post by voytec »

poincaredisk wrote: post #26
ossobuco wrote: post #23

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Letting Russia get what it wants and inch ever closer to the center of Europe brings us closer to WWIII, not further away. It's enabling the aggressor and Russia will not stop - why would it? I hate to invoke Godwin's law, but if Hitler was stopped at Czechoslovakia, and then Poland, maybe we wouldn't have WWII. But the world didn't care back then, and apparently it still doesn't.

Trump seems to be all about providing Russia and degrading the US.

Nonetheless, I see it as a good thing for the EU - maybe we'll finally stop being a "sending prayers" pussies, develop weapons, stop depending in 100% on NATO, and grow some balls.

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