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Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

ics wrote: post #133
gruez wrote: post #94

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>The car industry is probably one of the most stable economic pillars the US has. You mean the industry that famously went bankrupt in 2008 and had to be bailed out? Looking at the list of sectors[1], there are plenty of sectors that I think are more stable: Consumer staples, utilities, and healthcare. [1] https://www.sectorspdrs.com/sectortracker

The fact that it was bailed out says something about its place in American society. Stable might not be the best description but it does seem to be one thing which is taken for granted.

> The fact that it was bailed out says something about its place in American society.

Yes. It's extremely well connected to the levers of power.

Other examples would include the protectionist legislation offered when they were getting their shit rocked by Asia the last time around, in the 70's, every time we've gone to war overseas for oil, and the CAFE standards which have generous exemptions for all the vehicles they actually make money on because no other manufacturers bother to make 3 ton trucks for suburbanites.

Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads

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Post by modriano »

psunavy03 wrote: post #150
ericmay wrote: post #31

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Car-only infrastructure which is pervasive in America is a liability to the country and the economy. I can just not buy a TV and my life is great. Probably better. I can't not buy a car except in a few select locations if I want to participate in the economy. That's both dangerous and fragile.

At some point I really don't get how people can't just accept that historically, the US is a car-centric suburban-centric culture, and that's just who we largely are. If you want to do things like improve the environment, you can either scream and stamp your feet about it or you can meet people where they are and devise solutions that work in a car-centric culture. It just is what it is, like Brits drinking tea, Scan…

> ... historically, the US is a car-centric suburban-centric culture, and that's just who we largely are.

While we now do have a suburban-centric subculture, the car is just a tool that enables that subculture to easily access economic opportunities without having to interact with the classes segregated out of desirable locations by contemporary (explicitly racist) federal housing policies [0]. Although, I guess now that I look at it in that light (and noting the fact that every major city is still very racially segregated), I suppose that is just who we largely are and historically have been.

[0] https://www.huduser.gov/portal/sites/default/files/pdf/Feder...

Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads

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Post by [deleted] »

mikepurvis wrote: post #62
bryanlarsen wrote: post #24

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> you can't buy a "dumb TV" They are sold as monitors and digital signage displays and cost a lot more than a consumer TV.

The largest "monitor" I can see on Newegg right now is 48" diagonal: https://www.newegg.ca/lg-48gq900-b-48-uhd-120-hz-refresh-rat... And that's an outlier— most are 27-36", with 32" being the overwhelming sweet spot. In contrast, my TV is 77" diagonal, and most people would consider 55" to be about the minimum size for a new TV at this point, outside of special applications such as the bedroom/kitchen/etc. I don't kn…

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Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads

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Post by quesera »

seanw444 wrote: post #149
colechristensen wrote: post #55

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In car infotainment advertising needs to be banned at the state level, likewise much of the telemetry they send home. State legislation is good for this kind of thing. Like you cannot sell a car with this feature in the state or display such advertising while on state roads, possibly even you cannot register a car in the state with this feature.

All it'd take really is one or two of the big states banning it, and they'd be financially incentivized to disable it for all markets. That's how it seems to have gone for other things in the past.

That is probably only relevant for mechanical systems though.

The software feature flag for regulatory approval is simple. Which, optimistically, might give the rest of us a vector into controlling the feature ourselves.

Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads

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Post by kolanos »

ericmay wrote: post #165
psunavy03 wrote: post #150

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At some point I really don't get how people can't just accept that historically, the US is a car-centric suburban-centric culture, and that's just who we largely are. If you want to do things like improve the environment, you can either scream and stamp your feet about it or you can meet people where they are and devise solutions that work in a car-centric culture. It just is what it is, like Brits drinking tea, Scan…

I don't think your historical analysis is very correct. What you think of as car-centric suburban-centric culture didn't really arise until after World War II. It's really a relatively new thing, even considering how young the United States is. Obesity rates track historically with car-centric culture, should we just accept that is who we are, or can we work on cultural and policy changes that alleviate that problem?…

> Other countries like the Netherlands went through the same car-centric design phase and realized it was too expensive and bad for the country so they reverted. We can and should keep cars, but our reliance on them for our very existence is quite fragile and unnecessary.

The Netherlands is roughly the size of Maryland. If The Netherlands was a U.S. state, it would be 42nd in terms of land area.

Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads

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Post by Retric »

photonthug wrote: post #145
Retric wrote: post #23

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Or just modify them. People used to replace their stereo, I suspect there would be a real market for add free infotainment systems.

> or just modify them Sorry but this is just not an appropriate level of outrage and reads like corporate apologism. If you go to the doctor for a broken arm, you don’t expect to get an inner ear implant whispering “wouldn’t you like a Coca Cola?” as part of the fix. Sure maybe another doctor will take it out, but it’s abusive and unnecessary, and fixing the abuse after the fact is just extra cost for the customer. I…

You misunderstood my point, I’m saying corporations are facing real hard limits here.

My first option would be to buy some other car. However of that’s not possible, I would pay several thousand dollars and deal with a rough interior to avoid Ads that play on my cars console and speakers.

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Post by jmward01 »

potato3732842 wrote: post #65
jmward01 wrote: post #51

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It would be great to be able to buy a car and then delete the OS and install something I trusted on it but I can't imagine they will ever allow that. (If this is a real thing and I don't know about it please post here!) The printer world is the model I bet the car companies are all looking at WRT this approach. Litigate/claim DRM/make it hard or impossible for aftermarket/etc etc. Basically, these companies are the a…

Not only will "they" fight you but even here on a place literally called Hacker News will people screech about how you shouldn't be able to run your own software on your own car because of safety implications or whatever

There are places where it makes sense that only audited software should be allowed, but the big touch-screen in the middle of the vehicle isn't one of them. That shouldn't have access to safety related systems (other than reporting) so there shouldn't be a safety concern with wiping it and putting what I want on it.

Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads

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Post by cirrus3 »

gruez wrote: post #94
spicybright wrote: post #84

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People aren't going to stop using cars because of ads, they're just going to put up with almost anything because they have to in order to survive. The car industry is probably one of the most stable economic pillars the US has.

>The car industry is probably one of the most stable economic pillars the US has. You mean the industry that famously went bankrupt in 2008 and had to be bailed out? Looking at the list of sectors[1], there are plenty of sectors that I think are more stable: Consumer staples, utilities, and healthcare. [1] https://www.sectorspdrs.com/sectortracker

I think they meant "stable" as in the demand for the product isn't easily going away anytime soon.

Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads

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Post by codebje »

spudlyo wrote: post #127
kccqzy wrote: post #39

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That has little to do with advertising though. When you drive, you still see billboards with advertising. When you take public transit, the buses and the trains can have ads inside and outside.

Whenever AR glasses with ad-blockers are available, I will be an early adopter.

Bold assumption that AR glasses won’t just be a way to deliver more targeted advertising.

Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads

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Post by 5555624 »

spudlyo wrote: post #6

You wouldn't run an ad blocker on your car... > But the problem could presage a more significant issue for future drivers. Last year, Ford filed a patent for an in-car advertising system that would use the car’s speakers and display screen to serve ads to drivers and passengers. That system would also use the car’s GPS tracker to serve ads relevant to the driver’s route. This is some Black Mirror type dystopian visio…

>Just like nowadays you can't buy a "dumb TV"

You can still get Sceptre dumb TVs at Amazon and Walmart.

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