What does the company's CEO drive? Does he get pop-up ads too?
Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads
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Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads
#152Someone should try to press this as a lemon law issue > A vehicle is considered a lemon if it has at least one defect that substantially that impairs the use, safety, or market value and the car has not been repaired after a reasonable number of attempts.
More like road safety. Ads are meant to be payed attention to, which is an anti feature when you are supposed to be focused on driving.
Same thing really with infotainment and requiring them for basic car functionality. Most of them suck anyways and you cannot operate a touch screen without looking at it. Stop putting climate control behind that screen.
Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads
#153You wouldn't run an ad blocker on your car... > But the problem could presage a more significant issue for future drivers. Last year, Ford filed a patent for an in-car advertising system that would use the car’s speakers and display screen to serve ads to drivers and passengers. That system would also use the car’s GPS tracker to serve ads relevant to the driver’s route. This is some Black Mirror type dystopian visio…
The charitable interpretation would be to augment/optimize ads which would otherwise be less useful. The counterfactual is not "silence". It is your radio/podcast/spotify that already have ads.
You are trading ads for relevant ads.
Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads
#154You wouldn't run an ad blocker on your car... > But the problem could presage a more significant issue for future drivers. Last year, Ford filed a patent for an in-car advertising system that would use the car’s speakers and display screen to serve ads to drivers and passengers. That system would also use the car’s GPS tracker to serve ads relevant to the driver’s route. This is some Black Mirror type dystopian visio…
This is maybe the best way to get people to stop buying cars and look for alternative modes of transport!
Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads
#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
Car-only infrastructure which is pervasive in America is a liability to the country and the economy. I can just not buy a TV and my life is great. Probably better. I can't not buy a car except in a few select locations if I want to participate in the economy. That's both dangerous and fragile.
At some point I really don't get how people can't just accept that historically, the US is a car-centric suburban-centric culture, and that's just who we largely are. If you want to do things like improve the environment, you can either scream and stamp your feet about it or you can meet people where they are and devise solutions that work in a car-centric culture. It just is what it is, like Brits drinking tea, Scan…
You need to be a student of history, otherwise you’ll be blinded by the present and make these kinds of very wrong conclusions.
The US was the world leader in railroads. US cities had state of the rail based public transit systems. LA had the most extensive streetcar system in the world. Even St Louis used to be as accessible as NYC.
People changed because corporations lied to the public and meticulously destroyed public transit in the US.
People can change again.
Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, AM and FM radio are plagued with ads, always were and always will be. As far as I can see this is just a replacement for the fact that nobody listens to radio in their car any more. There is an entire older generation that is used to ads being blasted in their cars. The visual assault is new though.
The AM and FM radio ads cannot surveil you like the GPS- and cell-enabled (and forced) in-vehicle advertising systems do.
Some people might prefer an ad which is relevant to their location over something extremely generic and less useful.
Sharing location does not necessarily need to impact privacy.
Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
> you can't buy a "dumb TV" They are sold as monitors and digital signage displays and cost a lot more than a consumer TV.
The largest "monitor" I can see on Newegg right now is 48" diagonal: https://www.newegg.ca/lg-48gq900-b-48-uhd-120-hz-refresh-rat... And that's an outlier— most are 27-36", with 32" being the overwhelming sweet spot. In contrast, my TV is 77" diagonal, and most people would consider 55" to be about the minimum size for a new TV at this point, outside of special applications such as the bedroom/kitchen/etc. I don't kn…
My gf and I don't have a television, but we watch Ghibli movies on my 13" laptop on a stool parked in front of my couch. In CRT's heydey, you'd have to be pretty rich to get more than a 24" screen, and that was just fine back then. The brain focuses attention on the story and blocks out everything else, the same way that you don't notice the rest of the theater during an opera or play (at least one that's engrossing).
So, if the trade-off is size vs advertising, I'd prefer to have a small, ad-free monitor instead of a large ad-box.
Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
I didn't buy a Jeep because of stuff like this. The problem is that when I looked at the competitors, for instance the Bronco, they had their own little UI annoyances too. There wasn't anything on the market that didn't annoy or insult me in one way or another, so I ended up just buying a 25 year old Ranger. The irony is that 25 years ago, I had a Ranger like the one I own now, and it took me a series of seven modern…
If you can keep it on the road. I have a 25 year old car too. I spend more on maintenance than fuel (I only drove it 2000 miles last year) Parts are getting hard to find. There is rust that would be expensive to fix.
I have one that's a little over twice that age. Parts availability, especially in the aftermarket, is still very high for domestic classics, especially those based on the stereotypical design, and I doubt that will change much in the near future.
Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, but at least buses and trains are accountable to the voter in one way or another... and I can still wear headphones.
You can vote with your wallet and buy a car that doesn't have ads. The best you can do with ads on buses and trains is show up in your next city council meeting and raise a stink, only to be told that the transit agency signed a 10 year contract and can't pull out.
Did the owners know they would be served ads when they purchased the car? That’s not clear to me.
Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads
#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
Car-only infrastructure which is pervasive in America is a liability to the country and the economy. I can just not buy a TV and my life is great. Probably better. I can't not buy a car except in a few select locations if I want to participate in the economy. That's both dangerous and fragile.
At some point I really don't get how people can't just accept that historically, the US is a car-centric suburban-centric culture, and that's just who we largely are. If you want to do things like improve the environment, you can either scream and stamp your feet about it or you can meet people where they are and devise solutions that work in a car-centric culture. It just is what it is, like Brits drinking tea, Scan…
That's a shallow, post-WWII vision of history. The US used to build great cities, then it bulldozed large parts of them to build the present highway-oriented dystopia. If one radical change was possible then, so is another, now.
The car-centric, suburb-centric culture cannot be sustained economically or ecologically, and will therefore come to an end. How do we want that to happen - intentionally and progressively, or catastrophically?