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Federal workers ordered to return to offices without desks, Wi-Fi and lights

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Re: Federal workers ordered to return to offices without desks, Wi-Fi and lights

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This situation reminds me how people were declaring the end of twitter with swift, unconventional moves. It's worth looking back from time perspective.

Yes, it's a valuable lesson that, though it may become a nazi cesspit and vastly more annoying to interact with, an organization can survive for a surprisingly long time as a shambolic remnant of its former self, doing less and less well for fewer people.

As I understand it:

- twitter became less appealing to advertisers so revenue dropped

- you can't really firmly track the valuation over time after it was delisted but Fidelity late last year estimated its value had declined by 80%. There's a bump from people speculating that Musk's political position will somehow enrich it, but I don't think that's evidence that twitter itself was well-managed.

- a bunch of communities that had previously been very active on twitter did just kinda fizzle or go elsewhere as using their product became deeply unpleasant

Re: Federal workers ordered to return to offices without desks, Wi-Fi and lights

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So, this thing called Covid hit. It was a pandemic, and because it was infectious, a large push to work remotely was made (both in private and public businesses). When employers realized that work was being done despite not being in the office, they started to shutter their offices (ya know, to save money). I can't believe I have to explain to another adult why offices after Covid don't look the same.

What an insulting and willfully obtuse answer, that does not address any of these perfectly reasonable questions. When you leave your house on vacation, do you rip the cords out of the outlets and pile them on the floor, and dismount all the TVs?

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> “The only thing a return to the office has given me is an hour of traffic while driving and a loss in efficiency,” said the worker, who requested anonymity for fear of job reprisals. RTO in a nutshell. As someone who chose my living location based on where my family wants to live first and jobs second, this sudden turn to RTO mandates is infinitely depressing. Most of my work involves talking to people in different…

It's insane that anyone actually believes that it's being done for efficiency. It's not, and never was. It's being done a) to drive people to quit, so they don't have to lay them off, and b) to restore the power dynamic to the status quo ante , where your manager could just look over at your cubicle and see you in your seat, and know that whether or not you were working , you were still there to bow to them. (And man…

Also to make sure you were getting those TPS reports in.

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> It’s only a matter of time until they realize that they were the intended targets of the cuts, not accidental damage. I suspect that other scapegoats can be found to blame for their problems; as you say, their news sources will offer them all sorts of filters to deflect blame from the obvious source.

> I suspect that other scapegoats can be found to blame for their problems Woke, Biden, DEI, Obama, trans, Hillary, Soros, gays, illegals, fluoride. Take your pick.

Sounds like the inspiration for a catchy but very dark Billy Joel song.

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>Russia has no military advantage against ours Recent battle experience is kind of an advantage. Russia is running a full-scale war against US and NATO weaponry in Ukraine for three years, studying it and refining its tactics. What was the last battle for USA? Houthis in Yemen? Few airstrikes and limited engagements. It is very naive to believe Putin doesn’t want to cripple the US economy or that war is not a real th…

It would probably depend a lot on the type of conflict. The US would almost certainly have air-superiority, which would have a significant difference. Of course, air-superiority didn't "win" the US wars in Afghanistan or Iraq, but those were more guerilla-style wars with a somewhat (at least) hostile larger population. A US-Russia conflict would probably look pretty different. Or it would just go nuclear, in which ca…

I think future US-Russia conflict will revolve around semiconductors, and you know where it will take place. It would not be possible to just use nukes or airstrike it to the ground, because factories need to stay. Also, a nasty marriage of convenience between China and Russia would work perfectly for the case, what then?

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> It’s only a matter of time until they realize It will be far too late. That's why they're going so fast. The damage comes with a huge latency. Perhaps America can be saved and this is nothing but a bump in the ride, I'm no Nostradamus, but this could very well be the end of the Free West.

> this could very well be the end of the Free West Europe seems to be realising it must get its act together. Europe + Canada + the Americas have a hope in hell of containing America if it goes off the rails internationally. (When Trump & Musk tip the economy into recession it will be tempting to drum up a stupid war. My guess would have been Iran. But who the hell knows.)

They already allocated funding to deploy the military inside the US in border areas.

Re: Federal workers ordered to return to offices without desks, Wi-Fi and lights

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post #111

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> I suspect that other scapegoats can be found to blame for their problems Woke, Biden, DEI, Obama, trans, Hillary, Soros, gays, illegals, fluoride. Take your pick.

You forgot vaccines, education, NATO, porn, the courts, Canada, women, and renewable energy. My biggest mystery is how these people have the energy to hate so many things so deeply. It sounds exhausting.

They don’t hate constantly, only when thinking about politics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Minutes_Hate

> The political purpose of the Two Minutes Hate is to allow the citizens of Oceania to vent their existential anguish and personal hatred toward politically expedient enemies: Goldstein and the enemy super-state of the moment. In re-directing the members' subconscious feelings away from the Party's governance of Oceania and toward non-existent external enemies, the Party minimises thoughtcrime and the consequent subversive behaviours of thoughtcriminals.

The only thing it gets wrong is the variety of Goldsteins.

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Which is why they are pushing so hard/fast; they need to destroy the right things to make sure they cannot be stopped.

It doesn't look like they're targeting the right things, given how much they've put into going after the FAA, NHTSA and NOAA. Not exactly dark-state power centers. Rather, they're people who've pissed of Elon specifically. It seems like they're spending 30% of effort on the areas that are likely to foment a counter-coup and 70% of their time attacking groups they have personal beefs with. But of course they're not ju…

Haha, yeah, it's not like the president hasn't put in 3 of the SCOTUS judges who give him a 6/9 majority. Or replaced the chief joint of staff and each respective head of every military branch and each respective judge of each military branch. Or the head of the FBI or the director of the FBI. Or the secretary of defense. It's not like he once ordered protesters to be shot for a photo op and had to be stopped by people in those very positions saying "no". That would be crazy.

It's not like he's stopping aid to Ukraine while ruminating on dropping sanctions on our second largest enemy state and repeating word-for-word Kremlin talking points after having a prior relationship with their criminal enterprises for his real estate and an intelligence community espouse the use of foreign power to influence his election outcomes. That would be nuts.

It's not like he attempted to overthrow the government when he lost an election 4 years ago, then pardoned the violent criminals who were incarcerated for that act. Or outright saying he will ignore judicial rulings from unfavored judges while making executive orders that change explicitly language in the constitution, with an EO making it illegal for his executive branch employees to oppose his interpretation of law and installing Aparachniks in each agency to report those in non-compliance. That's a loony idea.

It's not like he's destroying all trade partnerships with allies and internal infrastructure/manufacturing investments simultaneously. That would be silly.

Re: Federal workers ordered to return to offices without desks, Wi-Fi and lights

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post #241

This situation reminds me how people were declaring the end of twitter with swift, unconventional moves. It's worth looking back from time perspective.

Yes, it's a valuable lesson that, though it may become a nazi cesspit and vastly more annoying to interact with, an organization can survive for a surprisingly long time as a shambolic remnant of its former self, doing less and less well for fewer people. As I understand it: - twitter became less appealing to advertisers so revenue dropped - you can't really firmly track the valuation over time after it was delisted…

It still works last time I checked – with fraction of headcount and with people working from the office.

Twitter had few months runway until it'd run out of money and go bankrupt.

Bloomberg analysis says (despite advertisers and communities leave etc) platform earnings seem to be staying at $1.2 billion a year.

Reports from Feb 2025 say that X doubled its adjusted EBITDA (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization) from $682 million in 2021 (the last full year before the takeover) – so they are on right track increasing profitability and big part of it likely due to workforce cut from 7500 to 1500 (they did more moves than that, all of them have some impact).

It seems argument around layoffs and working from the office leading to doomsday scenario (it'll stop working, it's gone etc. sentiments at the time) have been refuted with time.

Re: Federal workers ordered to return to offices without desks, Wi-Fi and lights

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> It is mind blowing to me that this is what people want. It is not what people want. The Trump administration’s popularity is already below 50%, and much lower among independents (around 30% depending on the poll). Many people aren’t yet aware of what’s happening. A lot of the electorate is getting their news from filtered sources like Fox News or various far right media outlets. Joe Rogan has gone all in on praisin…

It may not be what people want now, but it is what people voted for. People voted for tariff and massive day 1 changes and federal cuts. People wanted a loud strong man president who makes deals. These actions ARE what people (who voted) wanted… people just didn’t think about the outcome

The isn't meant as any kind of defense regarding Trump or his supporters, but it seems under-discussed to me:

The Democrats offered a really bad alternative (Biden) for most of the campaign season. Even if you liked his politics, there was (IMHO) legitimate reason to question his mental competence.

My guess is that Trump would have lost if the Democrats had fielded a less-bad alternative.

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