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What do people see when they're tripping? Analyzing Erowid's trip reports

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Post by Synaesthesia »

xfeeefeee wrote: post #192
ProjectArcturis wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There aren't really "varieties" of LSD. There's one chemical structure that is LSD. There are a couple related chemicals that are also hallucinogenic (e.g. LSA), but they have much lower potency. Having even 50% of a standard LSD dose contaminated with these related chemicals would really just feel like weak (low dose) LSD. Mindset, setting, and dose are the main variables that determine the trip experience.

There are absolutely varieties of lsd, especially nowadays with the legal analogues like 1v-lsd (Valerie) and 1p-lsd which are sometimes more common than the original. Though I agree that set and setting are extremely important

Yeah but they're quite similar. LSD trips just vary a lot naturally, all kinds of things can happen on them.

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Post by yard2010 »

fallinditch wrote: post #175

Auditory hallucinations can be extremely entertaining. I ate a few magic mushrooms I found while walking in the UK. On returning home I went to bed to relax. Someone was playing some music downstairs, I could only faintly hear it, the general ambient sound was louder. My brain elaborated the faint auditory signal to create the most fantastic music I had ever heard, and it filled my head like it was super hi fi. Curio…

When I was a kid I had that same exact feeling every time before I went to sleep - I could hear music in my head and as I fell asleep it became more live and hifi, I could almost see the band playing.

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Post by 01100011 »

gwbas1c wrote: post #22

Just remember: There are a lot of chemicals that produce LSD-like effects. The farther away you are from the chemist, the less likely you know the actual drug that you're getting. This is especially the case at concerts / festivals, where the "game of telephone" might mean that you don't really know what you're taking. After reading many trip reports on Erowid for LSD, I suspect that the authors often unknowingly too…

Yep. Pretty sure I got DOx in 1990 as a teenager. 24 hour trip that left me with panic attacks and HPPD for years(well, I still have HPPD decades later).

It was tie-dye blotter my friend got at a dead show. 2 hits. My friend took 5 and started throwing up within an hour which is not something I've ever heard of LSD causing.

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Post by Paracompact »

throwaway314155 wrote: post #183
BizarreByte wrote: post #172

I've read most of the comments on this post and I can honestly say none of them make me want to try hallucinogenics. It just seems like playing with fire and asking for trouble, especially for those of us with severe anxiety issues.

As someone who has tried hallucinogens and suffers from panic disorder and bipolar disorder- you're correct. Whatever anyone here has to say about it seems deeply biased but for people like me, a bad trip can literally ruin your life. The naivety and over optimism in this thread is astounding. People should understand this before they indicate that their friends just need to "get over it".

I've never done any drugs, and I have a neutral-to-positive regard for responsible hallucinogen use. Where do you see naivety or overoptimism in this thread? Mostly I just see people sharing their trips.

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Post by theshackleford »

ForTheKidz wrote: post #187
LoganDark wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i had a friend who told me that on high enough doses every picture becomes like a movie, you can just stare into it and imagine that whole world

I have the opposite problem: i try to watch scripted entertainment and all I see are actors in makeup on a set. Very hard for me to immerse myself when I keep getting distracted by bad wigs.

This happens to me on any amount of cannabis for some reason. It becomes immediately clear in a way I can not shake. It breaks the illusion. It only happens with live action, I can watch animation etc without issue.

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Post by theshackleford »

shipscode wrote: post #165

Reminder that one experience with hallucinogenic substances can give you a lifetime of visual or mental abnormalities. Personally I've had visual snow for over a decade from a 5 minute Salvia trip. This means that instead of looking at the color white or black and seeing a clean color, I see a static cloud all over it. I'm one of the lucky ones - most of the people I've known over the years who messed with these subs…

> most of the people I've known over the years who messed with these substances ended up dead, with persistent mental illness, or brain fog that took years to clear up.

Before we do anything in life, we should know ourselves, evaluate ourselves and the risks associated with these drugs that you note and make educated decisions as to our level of acceptable risk.

I for instance knowing the risks you point out, and how broken my brain is will not be trying any of these, despite all of the only positive interactions from those I know who have who now pressure me to follow in their footsteps. I know that I would be one of the people you note. I still find people’s reports interesting despite this.

Sadly I too know people who fit your description, only they consumed copious amounts of alcohol or meth and entered a slow road to destruction from which they were never able to divert themselves.

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I would entertain trying micro dosing of a compound in this family with the guidance of a medical health professional as further data comes to light. These are about the only circumstances in which I would entertain it.

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Post by itsmemattchung »

tac19 wrote: post #41

Used to take quite high doses of LSD, and often had incredible visual hallucinations. Things like watching a large plant sprout flower buds all over it, which slowly expanded to full bloom and then retreated back to small buds; the whole experience went on like that for 20 minutes. Another time I hallucinated that a neighbor's house was on fire, until my friend said she was hallucinating the same thing. Fortunately,…

Holy hell that was hilarious. I can totally see that happening:

"Hey, I'm hallucinating that that house is on fire."

"Whoa, me too."

...

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Post by nthingtohide »

raducu wrote: post #16
NickC25 wrote: post #4

Have no idea what variant of LSD I last consumed, but I remember some deep feelings of profound thoughts and self-reflection quite almost instantly when the stuff "hit" (maybe 30-45 minutes after ingestion), I was still cognizant enough to be able to write it all down. Some of what I wrote was indeed stuff I needed to work on in my own life and it was pretty helpful. I then spent the next like 12 hours on my couch re…

> deep feelings of profound thoughts. I remember dreaming about profound answers and equations about everything and being extatic in my dreams in uni. Then I woke up and wrote down what I dreamt and realize it was just garbage :). The same this one time I was traveling with friends and bought some very dubious hashish and smoked it and I got incredible visuals where I could see, open-eye a matrix of videos starting f…

There is a poem where the poet realized everything is like turpentine. Woke up next morning to realise the answer to be gibberish. Emotional centers can weigh certain stuff very high

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Post by beagle3 »

_hark wrote: post #141
pockmarked19 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> entire concept of time “Entire” concept is stretching it, causality and entropy are not man made. If you want to look at ideas people made up that have way too much influence on our lives, you need look no further than your wallet.

Entropy is not absolute! The entropy of some data is well-defined with respect to a model, but the model choice is free. I.e. different models will assign different entropy to the same data. And how do we choose a model...? Well, formally by minimizing the information needed to describe both the model and data (the sum of model complexity and data entropy under the model) [1] You might argue that's all too informatio…

But it is closer to absolute than you make it sound here. There are information theoretic models which are “universal” with respect to a class; that is, they are essentially as good as any in that class, for every individual case you apply - even if different cases are best described by distinct models from that class.

E.g. the KT estimator is, for each individual Bernoulli sequence, as good as the best Bernoulli model for that sequence with at most 1/2 but difference (independent of sequence length)

It is undecidable/uncomputable, and only well defined up to a constant, but you have a “universally universal” model - Kolmogorov complexity. In that sense, entropy IS an absolute.

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