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China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Yeah this feels right, Americans will choose leveraging their English before seeking out needing to learn a non-Romance language, I feel.

Language? What about principles of freedom, democracy, and science? I would think that those things would be why US scientists choose Canada and Europe first. I doubt language is really high on the list.

What freedoms would they lose?

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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I wonder if given the recent "moral" loss of US, we will see a post-WW2 Soviet vs USA style defection of scientists & engineers between USA and China? When you read the reasoning of people that defected from UK/US to soviet with nuclear secrets it's kinda hard to grasp now, but back then I can definitely understand that a mix of "the soviets are not that bad" and "are we really that good?" could've made people switch…

I wonder if given the recent "moral" loss of US, we will see a post-WW2 Soviet vs USA style defection of scientists & engineers between USA and China? No. The US will experience a brain drain to Europe, Canada, and Australia, but not to China. Trump still has a ways to go to match the excesses of the Xi regime.

Most of Europe (notable exception france), Canada, and Australia will happily betray their own citizens to extradition to foreign countries. If things get bad enough that science immigration becomes 'defection' they'd be safer from the US in China.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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if only one side has nukes slavery will be much more widespread if everyone has them all the slave traders competing with each other will be at least mitigated kind of crazy they saw all the graffiti license plate games that early

We have the test case for this. When one power had nukes and no one else did they weren’t used…

The people of Nagisaki and Hiroshima would like a word.

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We have the test case for this. When one power had nukes and no one else did they weren’t used…

famously they were very much used

i’m pretty sure he was being sarcastic

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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All we need is nukes? I think you might be counting on way too many decision makers to remain rational and wise enough to avoid and defuse non-trivial situations that want to escalate. In the 8 billion times 8 billion potential nuclear exchanges that universal nuke would enable (64 quadrillion!), there is at least one scary bad one. At any time of day. That you are standing too near. Please acknowledge my wisdom here…

Sounds like a very strong incentive for us to find a way to leave the planet and settle elsewhere.

And those settlements will be not be full of exactly the same human beings?

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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I wonder if given the recent "moral" loss of US, we will see a post-WW2 Soviet vs USA style defection of scientists & engineers between USA and China? When you read the reasoning of people that defected from UK/US to soviet with nuclear secrets it's kinda hard to grasp now, but back then I can definitely understand that a mix of "the soviets are not that bad" and "are we really that good?" could've made people switch…

Remember though, China is still a totalitarian dictatorship at least as bad as the USA. It's not the same situation.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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I wonder if given the recent "moral" loss of US, we will see a post-WW2 Soviet vs USA style defection of scientists & engineers between USA and China? When you read the reasoning of people that defected from UK/US to soviet with nuclear secrets it's kinda hard to grasp now, but back then I can definitely understand that a mix of "the soviets are not that bad" and "are we really that good?" could've made people switch…

A lot of developed countries like across Europe and Singapore dont have the same geopolitical history with China as the US does, as such the Sinophobia isn’t really there Many people really enjoyed Shanghai and other cities and are recipients of expansive social safety nets of China If you’re middle class and in a big city or some of the planned cities, China is fine, not without its difficulty of adjusting to, some…

China has never been a place, historically, that has welcomed foreigners as anything other than short-term visitors. To the extent that it has, those foreigners have become Chinese (Manchu, Mongol - and the "welcome" there is uh… being used pretty liberally). From a legal and policy perspective, there are very few paths to long-term residency in China for people who are not of Chinese descent, and of the nominal few there are, there are only a tiny handful of foreigners who live there for longer than a decade or so. By law you can't become a citizen of the PRC without being of Chinese descent. Chinese people are wonderful and on an individual level are incredibly warm and open to all the depths and facets of human relationships with non-Chinese foreigners. As a society, China has, in general, never been a particularly welcoming place for folks who aren't Chinese. I don't see any indication of that changing any time soon. Would love to be wrong.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Language? What about principles of freedom, democracy, and science? I would think that those things would be why US scientists choose Canada and Europe first. I doubt language is really high on the list.

What freedoms would they lose?

Right to bear arms (only Yemen and Idlib is stronger here) and some of the loosest regulations on non commercial speech.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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One note, if you’re working for a top AI company in China, your quality of life other than work hours is already good enough to not to want to leave. It’s not 1990s/2000s anymore. Urban life in China, excluding pandemic times, is better than urban life in the states. The same applies to other sectors as well. Top talent is genuinely valued in China.

> Urban life in China, excluding pandemic times, is better than urban life in the states. What data do you have for this conclusion?

Try YouTube. Just use your eyes.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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As an EU-based employer, I'm seeing a post-WW2 soviet vs usa style defection of engineers between USA and Europe. By the way, if anyone US-based is in this situation and wants to "defect" to an EU-job, send me a message, I can help you.

Funny, I’m literally seeing the opposite. Had two people move from the EU last year due to free speech concerns.

Free speech concerns in the EU go like:

- You can't call people pedophiles unless it was proven in court.

- You can't say black people are inferior.

- You can't say Israel is doing a genocide.

and only one of these is a valid thing to be worried about IMO...

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