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China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by selimthegrim »

scrollaway wrote: post #57
katmannthree wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s your take on near-term stability for American immigrants in Europe? I was looking at options for moving last year but the work visa situation seemed fairly precarious (although that’s a relative thing in comparison with what may end up happening here in the US).

Personally I’m pushing my (Belgian) government hard to provide a streamlined path for American immigrants, especially tech workers. In general, it’s easy, just highly bureaucratic. If you compare to what most other countries have to go through, getting a work visa as a skilled us citizen is quick.

I would have loved to come work for imec but the only immediate internship budget they had was a studentship with accompanying stipend and visa. They told me it would have taken too long to sort out the employee route.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by hansvm »

realusername wrote: post #90
nxm wrote: post #64

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Not many will take a massive pay cut only to pay more taxes

There's bigger problems in the US for a researcher than just the salary in the US nowadays. That salary comparison was valid pre-Trump.

> salary comparison was valid pre-Trump

Is it not valid now?

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by Philpax »

potatoman22 wrote: post #99
empressplay wrote: post #84

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This. The Chinese AI is called DeepSeek FFS -- think about that one for a minute.

I've thought about it and don't understand what you're saying

I assume the implication is that they'll build AI capable of automated drone surveillance.

Which is silly, because other Chinese companies have already done that, and America is pioneering it (cf Anduril)

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by NalNezumi »

gamblor956 wrote: post #109
NalNezumi wrote: post #36

I wonder if given the recent "moral" loss of US, we will see a post-WW2 Soviet vs USA style defection of scientists & engineers between USA and China? When you read the reasoning of people that defected from UK/US to soviet with nuclear secrets it's kinda hard to grasp now, but back then I can definitely understand that a mix of "the soviets are not that bad" and "are we really that good?" could've made people switch…

I wonder if given the recent "moral" loss of US, we will see a post-WW2 Soviet vs USA style defection of scientists & engineers between USA and China? No. The US will experience a brain drain to Europe, Canada, and Australia, but not to China. Trump still has a ways to go to match the excesses of the Xi regime.

That would be my guess too.

But as I read scientific paper regularly, I can't ignore how vast majority of the author names (well at least in STEM, ML/Robotics, latter is my interest) are Chinese. I don't think those young talents would mind moving to China, especially when anti-asian sentiment have been on the rise since Covid. But since many renown European universities/research center also have those bright young Chinese mind, I guess the Chinese in US can also just move to the more friendly part of Europe (Switzerland etc).

There's also HK, where you can get by with English just fine. And they're making new research centers as we speak. (although my HK friends tell me it is getting more Mainland Chinese day by day and expats are leaving).

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by realusername »

hansvm wrote: post #132
realusername wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's bigger problems in the US for a researcher than just the salary in the US nowadays. That salary comparison was valid pre-Trump.

> salary comparison was valid pre-Trump Is it not valid now?

Not anymore no, the research environment is even more important than the salary itself.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by scrollaway »

katmannthree wrote: post #91
scrollaway wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I’m pushing my (Belgian) government hard to provide a streamlined path for American immigrants, especially tech workers. In general, it’s easy, just highly bureaucratic. If you compare to what most other countries have to go through, getting a work visa as a skilled us citizen is quick.

As one of the many Americans who wants to contribute to a society whose values match their own, thank you. Is there somewhere to follow your efforts in that front?

A lot of it is small-scale lobbying, so not much to follow :)

If you want to support some of the efforts I'm pushing hard for, check out EU Inc: https://www.eu-inc.org/

Many entrepreneurs here know what the advantages are in the US compared to EU when it comes to startups etc and understand what needs to change. There's real willingness to get it done and the trump election has been fast-forwarding through so many of the steps, giving the EU the kick it needed to wake up.

All the momentum is there, now. I'm feeling super optimistic about Europe. But the recession will be hard to weather.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by tensor »

robrenaud wrote: post #8

Deepseek is great. What fundamentally prevents an open source coalition from producing great AI systems for everyone?

Access to training hardware. Both in terms of the money involved but also the availability of suitable devices.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by 77pt77 »

kasey_junk wrote: post #113
gunian wrote: post #81

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if only one side has nukes slavery will be much more widespread if everyone has them all the slave traders competing with each other will be at least mitigated kind of crazy they saw all the graffiti license plate games that early

We have the test case for this. When one power had nukes and no one else did they weren’t used…

They were on Japan and plenty of people pushed for a preemptive strike on the USSR.

"John von Neumann" was a very famous and influential person defending just that.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by scrollaway »

selimthegrim wrote: post #131
scrollaway wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I’m pushing my (Belgian) government hard to provide a streamlined path for American immigrants, especially tech workers. In general, it’s easy, just highly bureaucratic. If you compare to what most other countries have to go through, getting a work visa as a skilled us citizen is quick.

I would have loved to come work for imec but the only immediate internship budget they had was a studentship with accompanying stipend and visa. They told me it would have taken too long to sort out the employee route.

Check out the companies they fund, instead. Those will have an easier time hiring you. And then there are paths to working directly with Imec.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by 77pt77 »

ipaddr wrote: post #89
gunian wrote: post #81

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if only one side has nukes slavery will be much more widespread if everyone has them all the slave traders competing with each other will be at least mitigated kind of crazy they saw all the graffiti license plate games that early

If everyone has them they are more likely to be used over minor issues.

If power is not more or less evenly distributed then only the strongest really have rights.
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