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China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by gunian »

NalNezumi wrote: post #36

I wonder if given the recent "moral" loss of US, we will see a post-WW2 Soviet vs USA style defection of scientists & engineers between USA and China? When you read the reasoning of people that defected from UK/US to soviet with nuclear secrets it's kinda hard to grasp now, but back then I can definitely understand that a mix of "the soviets are not that bad" and "are we really that good?" could've made people switch…

if only one side has nukes slavery will be much more widespread if everyone has them all the slave traders competing with each other will be at least mitigated

kind of crazy they saw all the graffiti license plate games that early

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by throwaway48476 »

mistercheph wrote: post #77
throwaway48476 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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...and? it's a free country, not a paradise for William F. Buckley

I never liked him. It's just a fact that America was full of communists before the liberal-tankie split when it no longer was socially acceptable to be a communist since they started pasting protesters with tanks.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by echelon »

neilv wrote: post #45

This is unfortunate, but understood. I worked in a university research spinout US-China multinational AI hardware startup, and (without getting into confidential information, but only speaking of general engineering practice) I can mention that both nations' government concerns could be barriers. And some rules can be counterproductive for the one making the rule, even from a competitive perspective -- not even turni…

> I hope that this sharing will continue and increase

It will continue until they pass us. They're coming from behind, and releasing models as open source essentially wipes the board of hundreds of American startups.

Growth hackers and solopreneurs like @levelsio can be nipping at the heels of $300M funded companies who poured all of their points into training models, making expensive mistakes, and overpaying for compute.

Companies like RunwayML are probably doomed at this point between Hunyuan, Wan, and the half dozen other open source foundation video models. They failed to raise their last round in 2024, and they definitely face a much bleaker world in 2025.

To expound on that some more, while China might not be leading in LLMs just yet, they definitely are with media. Their video models are the best in class. This poses some significant questions.

In some years, China might be able to unseat the US as the global cultural export powerhouse. As the price of content creation drops orders of magnitude, content creation will become hyper local. That'll be another ding to US soft power.

China will want to commoditize this.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by empressplay »

gyomu wrote: post #63
kasey_junk wrote: post #27

The interesting thing in this article isn’t that China is telling people to avoid the US for national security reasons. Many states, including the US have similar guidance to people who work in jobs sensitive to national security. What’s interesting is that China is viewing AI tech as a technology vital to their security.

The real reason why states are pouring billions into AI isn't to generate silly emoji, help people rewrite their emails, or make a web app without learning how to code. It's for autonomous drone warfare. Invading a neighboring nation doesn't seem too appealing if it means sending tens/hundreds of thousands of your young people (a resource that's getting scarcer and scarcer most everywhere in the world) to the meat gr…

This. The Chinese AI is called DeepSeek FFS -- think about that one for a minute.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by yieldcrv »

NalNezumi wrote: post #36

I wonder if given the recent "moral" loss of US, we will see a post-WW2 Soviet vs USA style defection of scientists & engineers between USA and China? When you read the reasoning of people that defected from UK/US to soviet with nuclear secrets it's kinda hard to grasp now, but back then I can definitely understand that a mix of "the soviets are not that bad" and "are we really that good?" could've made people switch…

A lot of developed countries like across Europe and Singapore dont have the same geopolitical history with China as the US does, as such the Sinophobia isn’t really there

Many people really enjoyed Shanghai and other cities and are recipients of expansive social safety nets of China

If you’re middle class and in a big city or some of the planned cities, China is fine, not without its difficulty of adjusting to, some people sour on etiquette and difficulty founding entrepreneurial things. But an academic or programmer would be fine.

So people in the US often try to focus on political edge cases to write off an entire country but its easy to see that focus going away

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by Den_VR »

nxm wrote: post #64
scrollaway wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an EU-based employer, I'm seeing a post-WW2 soviet vs usa style defection of engineers between USA and Europe. By the way, if anyone US-based is in this situation and wants to "defect" to an EU-job, send me a message, I can help you.

Not many will take a massive pay cut only to pay more taxes

It’s an odd phenomena to see someone refute personal observations.

Something to consider, a huge number of people feel personally alienated and under threat of harm by the current administration’s party rhetoric.

Those people may, bizarrely, value life and liberty over top dollar. The revulsion expressed on the matter of taxes may also seem odd to the people for whom paying taxes means the state can provide for their safety and wellbeing.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by brookst »

throwaway48476 wrote: post #70
dluan wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's already been happening for years. Award winning faculty and scientists are fleeing US universities and institutions and setting up shop in China, often with more funding and talent available, and no McCarthyism accusations of being spies. It started officially in 2018 with the US Department of Justice's "China Initiative", which basically just allowed anyone to go on a witch hunt of Chinese and Chinese American…

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I think the complaint is with the government hearings to investigate individual citizens political views. Doesn’t seem especially aligned with the supposed values of the country.

Many of the people outed and persecuted for homosexuality were really gay. That doesn’t make it any less offensive.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by ipaddr »

gunian wrote: post #81
NalNezumi wrote: post #36

I wonder if given the recent "moral" loss of US, we will see a post-WW2 Soviet vs USA style defection of scientists & engineers between USA and China? When you read the reasoning of people that defected from UK/US to soviet with nuclear secrets it's kinda hard to grasp now, but back then I can definitely understand that a mix of "the soviets are not that bad" and "are we really that good?" could've made people switch…

if only one side has nukes slavery will be much more widespread if everyone has them all the slave traders competing with each other will be at least mitigated kind of crazy they saw all the graffiti license plate games that early

If everyone has them they are more likely to be used over minor issues.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by realusername »

nxm wrote: post #64
scrollaway wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an EU-based employer, I'm seeing a post-WW2 soviet vs usa style defection of engineers between USA and Europe. By the way, if anyone US-based is in this situation and wants to "defect" to an EU-job, send me a message, I can help you.

Not many will take a massive pay cut only to pay more taxes

There's bigger problems in the US for a researcher than just the salary in the US nowadays.

That salary comparison was valid pre-Trump.

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