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China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by ideashower »

gamblor956 wrote: post #109
NalNezumi wrote: post #36

I wonder if given the recent "moral" loss of US, we will see a post-WW2 Soviet vs USA style defection of scientists & engineers between USA and China? When you read the reasoning of people that defected from UK/US to soviet with nuclear secrets it's kinda hard to grasp now, but back then I can definitely understand that a mix of "the soviets are not that bad" and "are we really that good?" could've made people switch…

I wonder if given the recent "moral" loss of US, we will see a post-WW2 Soviet vs USA style defection of scientists & engineers between USA and China? No. The US will experience a brain drain to Europe, Canada, and Australia, but not to China. Trump still has a ways to go to match the excesses of the Xi regime.

Yeah this feels right, Americans will choose leveraging their English before seeking out needing to learn a non-Romance language, I feel.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by hungryhobo »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #60
russli1993 wrote: post #35

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I mean every country has their epstein. western media likes to pick the chinese ones cause they make a good china bad story. Hundreds of chinese like myself travel from and to china each year, I'm surprised it's hard for you to imagine regular chinese people can enjoy life in china.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by kasey_junk »

gunian wrote: post #81
NalNezumi wrote: post #36

I wonder if given the recent "moral" loss of US, we will see a post-WW2 Soviet vs USA style defection of scientists & engineers between USA and China? When you read the reasoning of people that defected from UK/US to soviet with nuclear secrets it's kinda hard to grasp now, but back then I can definitely understand that a mix of "the soviets are not that bad" and "are we really that good?" could've made people switch…

if only one side has nukes slavery will be much more widespread if everyone has them all the slave traders competing with each other will be at least mitigated kind of crazy they saw all the graffiti license plate games that early

We have the test case for this. When one power had nukes and no one else did they weren’t used…

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway48476 wrote: post #70
dluan wrote: post #59

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It's already been happening for years. Award winning faculty and scientists are fleeing US universities and institutions and setting up shop in China, often with more funding and talent available, and no McCarthyism accusations of being spies. It started officially in 2018 with the US Department of Justice's "China Initiative", which basically just allowed anyone to go on a witch hunt of Chinese and Chinese American…

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Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by ande-mnoc »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #48

Why does the US still allow Chinese nationals to study at its universities and work at its companies? Seems like a big risk that cutting edge research and trade secrets will go to America’s main adversary. Industrial espionage by China has a long history, and China has more valuable things to steal from America than the other way.

I have good news for you. DeepSeek openly bragged that none of its people have “overseas experience”. They are all local talents.

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Post by throwawaymaths »

yieldcrv wrote: post #85
NalNezumi wrote: post #36

I wonder if given the recent "moral" loss of US, we will see a post-WW2 Soviet vs USA style defection of scientists & engineers between USA and China? When you read the reasoning of people that defected from UK/US to soviet with nuclear secrets it's kinda hard to grasp now, but back then I can definitely understand that a mix of "the soviets are not that bad" and "are we really that good?" could've made people switch…

A lot of developed countries like across Europe and Singapore dont have the same geopolitical history with China as the US does, as such the Sinophobia isn’t really there Many people really enjoyed Shanghai and other cities and are recipients of expansive social safety nets of China If you’re middle class and in a big city or some of the planned cities, China is fine, not without its difficulty of adjusting to, some…

> expansive social safety nets of China

can you provide more detail on what you mean by this? Are there labor laws preventing 996, for example? what kind of medical care is there?

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by Nevermark »

gunian wrote: post #103
ipaddr wrote: post #89

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If everyone has them they are more likely to be used over minor issues.

don't believe everything the slavers tell you :) if everyone had a way to completely disintegrate the planet no one would be above another

All we need is nukes?

I think you might be counting on way too many decision makers to remain rational and wise enough to avoid and defuse non-trivial situations that want to escalate.

In the 8 billion times 8 billion potential nuclear exchanges that universal nuke would enable (64 quadrillion!), there is at least one scary bad one. At any time of day. That you are standing too near.

Please acknowledge my wisdom here. (Hard unblinking stare. Wiggling finger wanders toward red button… “Kind person, I have no interest in harming you, but my sources inform me you have at most one nuke. So I must be prepared to be first. Please keep those hands where I can see them while I only, and with full peaceful intent, rest my finger here.”)

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by ra7 »

kasey_junk wrote: post #27

The interesting thing in this article isn’t that China is telling people to avoid the US for national security reasons. Many states, including the US have similar guidance to people who work in jobs sensitive to national security. What’s interesting is that China is viewing AI tech as a technology vital to their security.

Is it any different than the US? The US considers AI national security too, which is why they banned chip exports to China.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by gunian »

Nevermark wrote: post #117
gunian wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

don't believe everything the slavers tell you :) if everyone had a way to completely disintegrate the planet no one would be above another

All we need is nukes? I think you might be counting on way too many decision makers to remain rational and wise enough to avoid and defuse non-trivial situations that want to escalate. In the 8 billion times 8 billion potential nuclear exchanges that universal nuke would enable (64 quadrillion!), there is at least one scary bad one. At any time of day. That you are standing too near. Please acknowledge my wisdom here…

you my digital friend have never met slavers and it shows :)

more than nukes one can survive nukes the ability to completely disintegrate the planet for everyone

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Post by skavi »

kasey_junk wrote: post #113
gunian wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if only one side has nukes slavery will be much more widespread if everyone has them all the slave traders competing with each other will be at least mitigated kind of crazy they saw all the graffiti license plate games that early

We have the test case for this. When one power had nukes and no one else did they weren’t used…

if you ignore WW2 for some reason?
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