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An update on Mozilla's terms of use for Firefox

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Re: An update on Mozilla's terms of use for Firefox

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Post by ttpphd »

0xFEE1DEAD wrote: post #216
rtpg wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like there _is_ some daylight between what people hear when someone says "Firefox is selling your data" and, for example, Firefox using your IP address to put you in a rough country-level geoblock to determine whether to show you an ad that was sold to all users in a country. Yet the second one, which I think would be very much considered close to harmless from my perspective (compared to an alternative of "an…

I chose firefox because I don’t want my browser to build an ad network to sell targeted ads. And I definitely don't want this: > You give Mozilla the rights necessary to operate Firefox. This includes processing your data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice. It also includes a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license for the purpose of doing as you request with the content you input in Firefox. This doe…

Exactly.

Why is my browser serving me advertising in the first place? Because Mozilla is an advertising company now.

Re: An update on Mozilla's terms of use for Firefox

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Post by ajdude »

ho_schi wrote: post #148
chinathrow wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mozilla, then Phoenix, then Firefox user for over 27y or so. If they can't stop abusing their users, I will look for another browser, goddamnit.

They are only three viable web-engines left over from the second browser-war: * Blink (Google): Used in everything, from Chrome, Edge, Opera, Qt-Toolkit, Electron. * Gecko (Mozilla): Firefox. And Waterfox? I assume Gecko is still hard to integrate. * WebKit and WebKitGtk (Apple and Gtk): Safari, Epiphany and Gtk-Toolkit. Easy to integrate. And the only engine where I’m aware that actually two side actively cooperate…

WebKit is also used in Orion, but that browser is macOS/iOS only.

Re: An update on Mozilla's terms of use for Firefox

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Post by TheChaplain »

I find it interesting that Mozilla actually believes that everyone of their users are idiots.

Going from "We never sell your data" to whatever those weaseling paragraphs attempt to say, is quite obvious that the users are going to be the product. And it would be better if they'd be straight about it.

I wish they'd rather say "pay us $100 a year, and you'll get a modern browser on all platform that will stop ads and make tracking difficult".

Re: An update on Mozilla's terms of use for Firefox

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Post by Aaron2222 »

monkeyshelli wrote: post #223
Vegenoid wrote: post #143

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Unfortunately, I don't believe there are any adblockers on Safari that are very effective. I'd love to be proven wrong.

I moved from Wipr to this, have been pleasantly surprised. https://github.com/0xCUB3/wBlock

There's also this[0] that was posted here yesterday. Haven't tried it myself, I've personally found Wipr/1Blocker to be sufficient.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43204406

Re: An update on Mozilla's terms of use for Firefox

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Post by devmor »

the_other wrote: post #188
mmooss wrote: post #174

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Based on the parent, all the collected data preserves privacy: > Firefox also shows its own search suggestions based on information stored on your local device That data stays on your computer ... > Mozilla processes [...] how many searches you perform, how many sponsored suggestions you see and whether you interact with them. That description contains no user content: number of searches, number of ads, whether you i…

How do they decide which sponsored ad to show you?

On your device: "Interests: Candles, Wooden Sculptures, Underwater Basket Weaving"

Advertiser: "Show this to users who like Candles."

Mozilla: "OK"

That's pretty standard and can be used to track people on the advertiser's side still, depending on how the ad itself is served and how clicks on the ad are processed.

Re: An update on Mozilla's terms of use for Firefox

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Post by KingOfCoders »

move-on-by wrote: post #4

> The reason we’ve stepped away from making blanket claims that “We never sell your data” is because, in some places, the LEGAL definition of “sale of data” is broad and evolving. As an example, the California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA) defines “sale” as the “selling, renting, releasing, disclosing, disseminating, making available, transferring, or otherwise communicating orally, in writing, or by electronic or othe…

Getting $400M a year is not "commercially viable". But thanks for clearing this up that you want to sell my data. Switched to Waterfox (for now, hope for an independent fork) after 30+ years of Firefox.

Re: An update on Mozilla's terms of use for Firefox

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Post by KingOfCoders »

ttpphd wrote: post #251
0xFEE1DEAD wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I chose firefox because I don’t want my browser to build an ad network to sell targeted ads. And I definitely don't want this: > You give Mozilla the rights necessary to operate Firefox. This includes processing your data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice. It also includes a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license for the purpose of doing as you request with the content you input in Firefox. This doe…

Exactly. Why is my browser serving me advertising in the first place? Because Mozilla is an advertising company now.

Yes, ad first company, with a browser product to capture ad audience.

Re: An update on Mozilla's terms of use for Firefox

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Post by KingOfCoders »

chinathrow wrote: post #97
move-on-by wrote: post #4

> The reason we’ve stepped away from making blanket claims that “We never sell your data” is because, in some places, the LEGAL definition of “sale of data” is broad and evolving. As an example, the California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA) defines “sale” as the “selling, renting, releasing, disclosing, disseminating, making available, transferring, or otherwise communicating orally, in writing, or by electronic or othe…

Mozilla, then Phoenix, then Firefox user for over 27y or so. If they can't stop abusing their users, I will look for another browser, goddamnit.

Yes, here too, add Mosaic and Netscape there. Switched to Waterfox, would pay for a full fork.

Re: An update on Mozilla's terms of use for Firefox

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Post by KingOfCoders »

xnx wrote: post #211
move-on-by wrote: post #4

> The reason we’ve stepped away from making blanket claims that “We never sell your data” is because, in some places, the LEGAL definition of “sale of data” is broad and evolving. As an example, the California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA) defines “sale” as the “selling, renting, releasing, disclosing, disseminating, making available, transferring, or otherwise communicating orally, in writing, or by electronic or othe…

Hasn't Mozilla gotten enough money that if they hadn't wasted it they could've been living solely off interest by now?

$7B was not enough to be "commercially viable" it seems.
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