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Re: AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards

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Post by ho_schi »

theandrewbailey wrote: post #7

Is modern Radeon support on Linux still great? I've heard that NV Geforce on Linux was kinda bad since ever, but it has massively improved over the past 3-4 years. Is Radeon still the way to go for Linux? EDIT: My usecase is a Linux gaming PC. I was fortunate enough to score an RX 6800 during the pandemic, but moved from Windows 10 to Linux a month ago. Everything seems solid, but I'm looking to upgrade the whole PC…

Buy AMD or Intel. Not Nvidia.

Rationale:

Both AMD and Intel provide well maintained open-source drivers for many years[1]. Nvidia doesn't. You need to use closed-source drivers with Nvidia in practice, which causes issues with kernel upgrades, various issues (for which you don't get help, because the kernel is now marked as tainted) and problems with Wayland. The later are caused by the fact, that Nvidia refused[2][3] to support Wayland for a long time. Blaming that implicit sync was a disadvantage for Nvidia is not appropriate. They could've participated a long time ago and either adapt to implicit sync or help adding explicit sync years ago.

Furthermore:

  * AMD gave us Vulkan as standard, which builds upon AMD's Mantle.
  * AMD gave us FreeSync i.e. VRR, which is usable by others.
  * AMD gave us FSR, which is usable by others.
What did Nvidia?

  * High prices.
  * Proprietary and expensive GSYNC.
  * Refused to publish documentation and open-source drivers for many years.
  * Own video-decoding libraries.
It is the documentation, drivers and Wayland. But the complete track record of Nvidia is bad. Their only argument are some benchmarks wins and press-coverage. The most important feature to all users is, reliability. And, Linus Torvalds[4] said everything. If Nvidia has changed its company politics and proofs that over years through good work it is maybe possible the reevaluate this. I don't see this within the next years.

[1] Well. Decades?

[2] https://web.archive.org/web/20101112213158/http://www.nvnews...

[3] https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/11/nvidia-have-no-plans-to-...

[4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQIdxbWhHSM

Re: AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards

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Post by xyst »

> AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT 64 16GB 2.4 Up to 3.0 256-bit 64 MB 304W $599

> AMD Radeon RX 9070 56 16GB 2.1 Up to 2.5 256-bit 64 MB 220W $549

Ignoring the awful naming scheme that marketing cooked up.

I really do love the price point here. Very competitive with the joke offerings by NVDA —- 5070 and 5080. Look forward to the benchmarks.

Been itching to upgrade my gaming PC for quite awhile now. But the issues with NVDA (12VHPWR cable issues, non-competitive pricing, paper release, missing CUs, QC issues, …) have encouraged me to put it off until later.

Re: AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards

#113

Post by tomnipotent »

ryao wrote: post #95
awill wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On Windows Nvidia has better drivers. On Linux, AMD is far ahead.

It is mostly the same driver on both platforms. In any case, I use Nvidia’s 565.77 driver on Linux with KDE Plasma 6.2 and Wayland. It works well for me on my RTX 3090 Ti.

Most of the Linux Nvidia driver bugs seem to be related to the DRM/KMS layer, not the shared code. That's still a pretty big surface area.

Re: AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards

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Post by zokier »

The hardware itself seems like it will be welcome in the market. But I find AMD GPU launches so frustrating, the branding is all over the place and it feels like there is never any consistent generational series. Instead you get these seemingly random individual product launches that slot somewhere in the market, but you never know what comes next.

In comparison nVidia has had pretty consistent naming since 200 series, with every generation feeling at least somewhat complete. Only major exception was (mostly) skippin 800 series. Not saying they are perfect by any means in this regard, but AMD just feels like a complete mess.

Checking wikipedia, Radeon has recently gone through (in order):

* HD 7000 series

* HD 8000 series

* 200 series

* 300 series

* 400/500 series

* RX Vega

* RX 5000 series

* RX 6000 series

* RX 7000 series

* RX 9000 series

Like what happened to 8000 series? And also isn't it confusing to partially change the naming scheme? Any guesses what the next generation will be called?

Re: AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards

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Post by globnomulous »

ho_schi wrote: post #111
theandrewbailey wrote: post #7

Is modern Radeon support on Linux still great? I've heard that NV Geforce on Linux was kinda bad since ever, but it has massively improved over the past 3-4 years. Is Radeon still the way to go for Linux? EDIT: My usecase is a Linux gaming PC. I was fortunate enough to score an RX 6800 during the pandemic, but moved from Windows 10 to Linux a month ago. Everything seems solid, but I'm looking to upgrade the whole PC…

Buy AMD or Intel. Not Nvidia. Rationale: Both AMD and Intel provide well maintained open-source drivers for many years[1]. Nvidia doesn't. You need to use closed-source drivers with Nvidia in practice, which causes issues with kernel upgrades, various issues (for which you don't get help, because the kernel is now marked as tainted) and problems with Wayland. The later are caused by the fact, that Nvidia refused[2][3…

> Both AMD and Intel provide well maintained open-source drivers for many years[1]. Nvidia doesn't. You need to use closed-source drivers with Nvidia in practice.

Is that what this is? https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules

Re: AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards

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Post by [deleted] »

ryao wrote: post #105
slavik81 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On Linux, there is official support for a few Navi 21 (gfx1030), Navi 31 (gfx1100) and Navi 32 (gfx1101) cards [1]. As you mention, in practice, there's also quite a few cards that work but are not officially supported. [1]: https://rocm.docs.amd.com/projects/install-on-linux/en/docs-...

Thanks for the link. Those are the professional cards. For consumer cards, the only supported models on Linux are the 7900 series and Radeon VII according to that. Interestingly, all of the supported cards aside from Radeon VII have 24GB of RAM or more as if high VRAM were a prerequisite for support. Seeing this, I am not surprised I misremembered the state of RDNA support in ROCm. The support matrix it pitiful compa…

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Re: AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards

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Post by gpusforallb »

mastax wrote: post #100

It seems very silly to me to change the naming scheme just for the 9000 series when they're going to have to change it again for the next series. Well I suppose they could pull an Intel and go with RX 10070 XT next time. I guess we can be thankful that they didn't call it the AMD Radeon AI Max+ RX 9070 XT.

RX 2025 7+

Re: AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards

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Post by 0x457 »

awill wrote: post #63
ryao wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nvidia has long been ahead of AMD. They seem to be close to parity right now thanks to Valve’s efforts, but that has historically not been the case. AMD was the one that needed a decade to catch up until Valve started helping. I wonder if the Radeon driver has gotten reliable GPU restart support. The GPU becoming unrecoverable if a shader crashed was long a major issue on Radeon on Linux, and I am not sure if valve f…

On Windows Nvidia has better drivers. On Linux, AMD is far ahead.

> On Linux, AMD is far ahead.

Depends on a metric. I found Nvidia drivers to be better on every platform. It's just because it's closed-source it's PITA to install and update, but everything in between is great.

I've switched to AMD for religious reasons, tho. Even update story is worse on Windows for AMD, at least it was when I had RX 6900 XT.

Re: AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards

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Post by seaal »

globnomulous wrote: post #115
ho_schi wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Buy AMD or Intel. Not Nvidia. Rationale: Both AMD and Intel provide well maintained open-source drivers for many years[1]. Nvidia doesn't. You need to use closed-source drivers with Nvidia in practice, which causes issues with kernel upgrades, various issues (for which you don't get help, because the kernel is now marked as tainted) and problems with Wayland. The later are caused by the fact, that Nvidia refused[2][3…

> Both AMD and Intel provide well maintained open-source drivers for many years[1]. Nvidia doesn't. You need to use closed-source drivers with Nvidia in practice. Is that what this is? https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules

https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/nvidia-transitions-fully-t...

It has only been a year since NVIDIA actually recommended using the open-source drivers and that's only for Turing (NV160/TUXXX) and newer. It's easier to use my AMD integrated GPU on (wayland) Linux than it is dealing with bugs from NVIDIA drivers.

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