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Post by vel0city »

Ekaros wrote: post #111
mvdtnz wrote: post #81

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> How could they justify that asking price? They're still selling $1 for <$1. Like personal food delivery before it, consumers will eventually need to wake up to this fact - these things will get expensive, fast.

I generally question how wide spread willingness to pay for the most expensive product is. And will most users of those who actually want AI go with ad ridden lesser models...

I can just imagine Kraft having a subsidized AI model for recipe suggestions that adds Velveeta to everything.

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Post by danenania »

pk-protect-ai wrote: post #197
g-mork wrote: post #56

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release blog post author: this is definitely a research preview ceo: it's ready the pricing is probably a mixture of dealing with GPU scarcity and intentionally discouraging actual users. I can't imagine the pressure they must be under to show they are releasing and staying ahead, but Altman's tweet makes it clear they aren't really ready to sell this to the general public yet.

Yeap, that the thing, they are not ahead anymore. Not since last summer at least. Yes they have probably largest customer base, but their models are not the best for a while already.

Eh, I think o1-pro is by far the most capable model available right now in terms of pure problem solving.

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Post by shoubidouwah »

goatlover wrote: post #211
wavemode wrote: post #171

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This has been my suspicion for a long time - OpenAI have indeed been working on "GPT5", but training and running it is proving so expensive (and its actual reasoning abilities only marginally stronger than GPT4) that there's just no market for it. It points to an overall plateau being reached in the performance of the transformer architecture.

Certainly hope so. The tech billionaires are little to excited to achieve AGI and replace the workforce.

TBH, with the safety/alignment paradigm we have, workforce replacement was not my top concern when we hit AGI. A pause / lull in capabilities would be hugely helpful so that we can figure how not to die along with the lightcone...

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Post by 0x457 »

alyandon wrote: post #268
0x457 wrote: post #216

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To be fAir, SC is trying to do things that no one else done in a context of a single game. I applaud their dedication, but I won't be buying JPGs of a ship for 2k.

Yeah, they never should have expected to take an FPS game engine like CryEngine and expected to be able to modify it to work as the basis for a large scale space MMO game. Their backend is probably an async nightmare of replicated state that gets corrupted over time. Would explain why a lot of things seem to work more or less bug free after an update and then things fall to pieces and the same old bugs start showing…

Gonna go meta here for a bit, but I believe we going to get a fully working stable SC before we get fusion. "we" as in humanity, you and I might not be around when it's finally done.

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Post by johnthewise »

sebastiennight wrote: post #134
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #109

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Since they offer a subscription, keeping you engaged just requires them to waste more compute. The ideal case would be that the LLM gives you a one shot correct response using as little compute as possible.

In a subscription business, you don't want the user to use as few resources as possible. It's the wrong optimization to make. You want users to keep coming back as often as possible (at the lowest cost-per-run possible though). If they are not coming back they are not renewing. So, yes, it makes sense to make answers shorter to cut on compute cost (which these SMS-length replies could accomplish) but the main point o…

AI subscriptions are already very sticky . I can't imagine at least not paying for one, so I doubt they care about retention like the rest of us plebs do.

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Post by turnsout »

famouswaffles wrote: post #55
sebastiennight wrote: post #37

It is interesting that they are focusing a large part of this release on the model having a higher "EQ" (Emotional Quotient). We're far from the days of "this is not a person, we do not want to make it addictive" and getting a firm foot on the territory of "here's your new AI friend". This is very visible in the example comparing 4o with 4.5 when the user is complaining about failing a test, where 4o's response is wh…

The whole robotic, monotone, helpful assistant thing was something these companies had to actively hammer in during the post-training stage. It's not really how LLMs will sound by default after pre-training. I guess they're caring less and less about that effort especially since it hurts the model in some ways like creative writing.

Or maybe they're just getting better at it, or developing better taste. After switching to Claude, I can't go back to ChatGPT's overly verbose bullet-point laden book reports every time I ask a question. I don't think that's pretraining—it's in the way OpenAI approaches tuning and prompting vs Anthropic.

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Post by twistslider »

i_love_retros wrote: post #244

Anyone really finding ai useful for coding? I'm finding it to make things up, get things wrong, ignore things I ask. Def not worried about losing my job to it.

I played around with Claude Code today, first time I've ever really been impressed by AI for coding.

Tasked it with two different things, refactoring a huge function of around ~400 lines and creating some unit tests split into different files. The refactor was done flawlessly. The unit tests almost, only missed some imports.

All I did was open it in the root of my project and prompt it with the function names. It's a large monolithic solution with a lot of subprojects. It found the functions I was talking about without me having to clarify anything. Cost was about $2.

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Post by shsbdncudx »

Terr_ wrote: post #218
riwsky wrote: post #168

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Said the quiet part out loud! Or as we say these days, “transparently exposed the chain of thought tokens”.

"I knew the dame was trouble the moment she walked into my office." "Uh... excuse me, Detective Nick Danger? I'd like to retain your services." "I waited for her to get the the point." "Detective, who are you talking to?" "I didn't want to deal with a client that was hearing voices, but money was tight and the rent was due. I pondered my next move." "Mr. Danger, are you... narrating out loud?" "Damn! My internal chai…

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Post by highfrequency »

Overall take seems to be negative in the comments. But I see potential for a non-reasoning model that makes enough subtle tweaks in its tone that it is enjoyable to talk to instead of feeling like a summary of Wikipedia.

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by jedberg »

jampa wrote: post #167

First impression of GPT-4.5: 1. It is very very slow, for some applications where you want real time interactions is just not viable, the text attached below took 7s to generate with 4o, but 46s with GPT4.5 2. The style it writes is way better: it keeps the tone you ask and makes better improvements on the flow. One of my biggest complaints with 4o is that you want for your content to be more casual and accessible bu…

Oh yeah, that right side version is WAY better, and sounds much more like a human.
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