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Post by goatlover »

wavemode wrote: post #171
zaptrem wrote: post #26

GPT 4.5 pricing is insane: Price Input: $75.00 / 1M tokens Cached input: $37.50 / 1M tokens Output: $150.00 / 1M tokens GPT 4o pricing for comparison: Price Input: $2.50 / 1M tokens Cached input: $1.25 / 1M tokens Output: $10.00 / 1M tokens It sounds like it's so expensive and the difference in usefulness is so lacking(?) they're not even gonna keep serving it in the API for long: > GPT‑4.5 is a very large and comput…

This has been my suspicion for a long time - OpenAI have indeed been working on "GPT5", but training and running it is proving so expensive (and its actual reasoning abilities only marginally stronger than GPT4) that there's just no market for it. It points to an overall plateau being reached in the performance of the transformer architecture.

Certainly hope so. The tech billionaires are little to excited to achieve AGI and replace the workforce.

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Post by anothermathbozo »

film42 wrote: post #189
synapsomorphy wrote: post #155

Claude 3.6 (new 3.5) and 3.7 non-reasoning are much better at pretty much everything, and much cheaper. What's Anthropic's secret sauce?

I think it's a classic expectations problem. OpenAI is neither _open_ nor is it releasing an _AGI_ model in the near future. But when you see a new major model drop, you can't help but ask, "how close is this to the promise of AGI they say is just around the corner?" Not even close. Meanwhile Anthropic is keeping their heads down, not playing the hype game, and letting the model speak for itself.

Anthropic’s CEO said their technology would end all disease and expand our lifespans to 200 years. What on earth do you mean they’re not playing the hype game?

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by DebtDeflation »

serjester wrote: post #58
zaptrem wrote: post #26

GPT 4.5 pricing is insane: Price Input: $75.00 / 1M tokens Cached input: $37.50 / 1M tokens Output: $150.00 / 1M tokens GPT 4o pricing for comparison: Price Input: $2.50 / 1M tokens Cached input: $1.25 / 1M tokens Output: $10.00 / 1M tokens It sounds like it's so expensive and the difference in usefulness is so lacking(?) they're not even gonna keep serving it in the API for long: > GPT‑4.5 is a very large and comput…

I suppose this was their final hurrah after two failed attempts at training GPT-5 with the traditional pre-training paradigm. Just confirms reasoning models are the only way forward.

GPT 5 is likely just going to be a router model that decides whether to send the prompt to 4o, 4o mini, 4.5, o3, or o3 mini.

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Post by 0x457 »

alyandon wrote: post #199
EA-3167 wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe if they build a few more data centers, they'll be able to construct their machine god. Just a few more dedicated power plants, a lake or two, a few hundred billion more and they'll crack this thing wide open. And maybe Tesla is going to deliver truly full self driving tech any day now. And Star Citizen will prove to have been worth it along along, and Bitcoin will rain from the heavens. It's very difficult to r…

And Star Citizen will prove to have been worth it along along Sounds like someone isn't happy with the 4.0 eternally incrementing "alpha" version release. :-D I keep checking in on SC every 6 months or so and still see the same old bugs. What a waste of potential. Fortunately, Elite Dangerous is enough of a space game to scratch my space game itch.

To be fAir, SC is trying to do things that no one else done in a context of a single game. I applaud their dedication, but I won't be buying JPGs of a ship for 2k.

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by Terr_ »

riwsky wrote: post #168
swatcoder wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We look forward to learning more about its strengths, capabilities, and potential applications in real-world settings. If GPT‑4.5 delivers unique value for your use case, your feedback (opens in a new window) will play an important role in guiding our decision. "We don't really know what this is good for, but spent a lot of money and time making it and are under intense pressure to announce new things right now. If…

Said the quiet part out loud! Or as we say these days, “transparently exposed the chain of thought tokens”.

"I knew the dame was trouble the moment she walked into my office."

"Uh... excuse me, Detective Nick Danger? I'd like to retain your services."

"I waited for her to get the the point."

"Detective, who are you talking to?"

"I didn't want to deal with a client that was hearing voices, but money was tight and the rent was due. I pondered my next move."

"Mr. Danger, are you... narrating out loud?"

"Damn! My internal chain of thought, the key to my success--or at least, past successes--was leaking again. I rummaged for the familiar bottle of scotch in the drawer, kept for just such an occasion."

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But seriously: These "AI" products basically run on movie-scripts already, where the LLM is used to append more "fitting" content, and glue-code is periodically performing any lines or actions that arise in connection to the Helpful Bot character. Real humans are tricked into thinking the finger-puppet is a discrete entity.

These new "reasoning" models are just switching the style of the movie script to film noir, where the Helpful Bot character is making a layer of unvoiced commentary. While it may make the story more cohesive, it isn't a qualitative change in the kind of illusory "thinking" going on.

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Post by theodorthe5 »

freediver wrote: post #151

The results for GPT - 4.5 are in for Kagi LLM benchmark too. It does crush our benchmark - time to make new? ;) - with performance similar of that of reasoning models. It does come at a great price both in cost and speed. A monster is what they created. But looking at the tasks it fails, some of them my 9 year old would solve. Still in this weird limbo space of super knowledge and low intelligence. May be remembered…

If Gemini 2 is the top in your benchmark, make sure to re-check your benchmark.

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Post by bredren »

sebastiennight wrote: post #37

It is interesting that they are focusing a large part of this release on the model having a higher "EQ" (Emotional Quotient). We're far from the days of "this is not a person, we do not want to make it addictive" and getting a firm foot on the territory of "here's your new AI friend". This is very visible in the example comparing 4o with 4.5 when the user is complaining about failing a test, where 4o's response is wh…

Yes, the "personality" (vibe) of the model is a key qualitative attribute of gpt-4.5.

I suspect this has something to do with shining light on an increased value prop in a dimension many people will appreciate since gains on quantitative comparison with other models were not notable enough to pop eyeballs.

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