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Framework's first desktop is a strange–but unique–mini ITX gaming PC

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Re: Framework's first desktop is a strange–but unique–mini ITX gaming PC

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Why would you prefer AMD? price, heat/fan noise?

just an anecdata but recently I was building a HTPC/NAS. Initially I wanted N100 for pure NAS, but ended up with an 5500 AMD and I was blown away by the capabilities of IGPU. Turned out to be a quite capable gaming machine.

And a 2-in-1 laptop in tent mode would be perfect for (casual) gaming on the train with a gamepad; much more ergonomic than holding one of the many heavy gaming handhelds.

Re: Framework's first desktop is a strange–but unique–mini ITX gaming PC

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I wisth the 12" wouldn't have a garbage screen - although I'm hopeful for more options later on. This format would be equally if not more useful for gaming/business use case, I wonder why they start at the entry level.

Curiously, what do you feel is wrong about the 12" screen? Two years ago, I switched from my 15" MacBook Pro to the 12" Framework, never looked back. What am I missing?

It'd be hard for me to miss the HDR/Dolby Vision color and brightness and the significantly higher resolution/PPI of the macbook display.

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Why would you want a diving board trackpad? Every single non haptic trackpad I've tried always sucks, requiring excessive force to press a button, particularly if you're not on the very bottom of the doving board mechanism of the trackpad.

With diving board trackpads, I usually just tap to click. Physically pressing down a diving board is just asking for frustration. Sometimes I miss the separate left, right, and middle click buttons under the trackpad like the old days.

If you pretend that the click buttons are still there, you can press down a diving board just fine. You use your fingers to move, and the thumb to click. The problem is that this is totally unintuitive to anyone who grew up without visible buttons.

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I don't know anything about RAMs or their bus size. Is this something that will be "fixed" in the future, idk, with DDR6? Meaning we can have replacable RAM with such bus.

There isn't any standard to put that kind of RAM on DIMM-like slots.

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Re: Framework's first desktop is a strange–but unique–mini ITX gaming PC

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Yet another 1080p garbage screen. Please! I had tablets with higher DPI 10 years ago!

1920x1200 / 16:10. It's perfect for a 12" IMO.

That’s approximately 189 ppi, which calls for a 1.5× scaling factor. (For these sorts of devices, 1× should be around 110–140ppi.)

Fractional scaling isn’t great. Windows handles it the best by a large margin (it’s really quite respectable; honestly I’d just call it “not ideal” rather than “not great” if restricting to Windows), and has done for many years. macOS doesn’t even try, but rather downsamples from the next integer, which guarantees it will be atrocious, much worse than a lower-resolution integer-scaled panel for many purposes. Linux can be finicky, but is slowly getting there, though downsampling is still common. (Me, I’ve been using Linux/Sway at 1.5× for the last five years.)

You’d get much better results by increasing density by a third in each direction: 2560×1600 is 252ppi, excellent for a 2× scaling factor. (The effective resolution is thus 1280×800.)

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One interesting angle here could be if this had good compatibility with SteamOS to the point where it supported most/all the games the Steam Deck does. That would make it a very appealing offering, since right now DIY SteamOS setups are a pretty wild west.

As is you can buy a decent AMD mini PC for about $500 and just install Linux on it. It works very well for the most part, and a few distros offer steam OS like experiences. For my mini PC I couldn't get the EGPU to work with Linux so I'm stuck on Windows for now... But I play a few games that are Windows only ( anti cheat) so this is for the best.

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They don't seem to care about needing a fan, and the community on their forums is actively hostile--even brutal--to people who don't want a fan (the zeitgeist there seems to believe that any compromise to performance at all costs is incompetence). It is particularly frustrating as you don't even have to go ARM to drop the fan: there are chips even from Intel that do not need fans, such as any of the ones in all of th…

So they're exactly like the gaming PC community. "Decibels aren't a benchmark", as an enthusiast acquaintance says. If you want to go fanless, you need to go to a silent PC community. Where their forums is actively hostile--even brutal--to people who do want a fan. There are a lot of more or less weird, very dedicated, very opinionated subcultures in the PC hardware world.

> So they're exactly like the gaming PC community. "Decibels aren't a benchmark", as an enthusiast acquaintance says.

wut? Gamers love to pay extra for a tiny bit of less noise. Noctua and expensive water cooled systems are widespread in the gaming community.

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I don't know about the GP. I won't buy anything from Intel unless things change dramatically. My last Intel laptop had serious thermal throttling problem that could be completely avoided if Intel cared a bit about users. The one before had some other problems. In past 20 years, anytime I bought (or was given by a company) AMD I was happy, and as time goes by I get less and less happy with Intel.

Thermal issues on a laptop I'd be pulling heatsinks and putting better paste on. Also a laptop cooler is nice unless you get junebugs.

Framework also mentioned they use PTM7950 in everything from now so repasting wont help if they didnt mess up assembly.

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Which is exactly why they did do it and definitely do not continue releasing phones with 500ppi to this day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S22#Display

Yeah, Samsung likes to tout specs on their flagships, but they’ve also made the resolution user-adjustable (presumably not for no reason). If you put the phone in battery saver mode, lowering resolution is one of the things it does.

Which shows that you can get the best of both worlds, so it's possible to offer high res to the users that want it.
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