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Framework's first desktop is a strange–but unique–mini ITX gaming PC

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Re: Framework's first desktop is a strange–but unique–mini ITX gaming PC

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Post by 9dev »

mariusor wrote: post #93
favorited wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's actually a pretty nice system when you're trying to purchase something. You have a reasonable estimate of when you'll be at the front of the queue, and when that time comes, you're more likely to be able to complete your transaction because the site isn't overwhelmed. It would obviously be better if they could limit it to something like `store.frame.work`, rather than putting a queue in front of their entire sit…

Yeah, for the shop it makes total sense, but for the front-page not so much.

This makes zero sense, absolutely ever. Magento was able to properly cache the view-only parts like 15 years ago. No matter the traffic spikes, serving read requests shouldn’t require hour-long waiting times for visitors.

Re: Framework's first desktop is a strange–but unique–mini ITX gaming PC

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Post by wasabi991011 »

tencentshill wrote: post #92
coldpie wrote: post #22

Two other Framework announcements: New 12-inch laptop form factor with 360 degree hinge (ie "tablet mode") and a touchscreen. No price announced, but it is aimed at students: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/frameworks-laptop-12... New mainboard upgrade options for Framework 13 models: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/framework-gives-its-...

Having seen how students treat school-provided Chromebooks, those IO modules will get lost and damaged at light speed.

I interpreted "students" to refer to university students. Seems more likely to be Framework's target audience.

Re: Framework's first desktop is a strange–but unique–mini ITX gaming PC

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Post by mlhpdx »

ortusdux wrote: post #95
martey wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know the comment you're replying to called it a "180 degree hinge", but the linked Ars Technica article states that it "flips around to the back with a flexible hinge, a la Lenovo's long-running Yoga design". This is not clear from the pictures in the article, but was on display during the livestreamed event earlier today.

Good! Strange that their photos don't show this off. Lenovo ad-spend showcasing tablet mode was enormous. https://frame.work/laptop12

This is the first time I’ve ever seen a CloudFlare “wait time” screen at “15 minutes”.

Re: Framework's first desktop is a strange–but unique–mini ITX gaming PC

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Post by ac29 »

josephg wrote: post #60
Kim_Bruning wrote: post #16

Up to 128 GB RAM available for running AI models. Theoretically awesome, but this might have some interesting market consequences for everyone else.

You’ve gotta deal with amd’s AI software stack though. How is that these days? I assume cuda is still king?

> You’ve gotta deal with amd’s AI software stack though

Not if you are using the CPU. I am under the impression most inference use cases are memory bandwidth limited, not compute limited, so running on the GPU would gain you little to nothing unless the GPU has faster access to the shared memory.

Re: Framework's first desktop is a strange–but unique–mini ITX gaming PC

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Post by AshamedCaptain »

kibwen wrote: post #146
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #131

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No, it is not. It would be perfect for a 6'' phone, maybe. The goal is to have at least double the pixel density, and my 2016 tablet can reach this ( ~2700x1800 at 12'' ). Even Surfaces have been using 1440p at 12'' since 2016, and 2880 x 1920 since 2018! Why would Android & Apple tablets at much smaller screen size have higher DPIs, if 1080p was perfect? Do you expect to put Android tablets closer to your face than…

> Since when has DPI started _decreasing_ again? The human hardware isn't getting any better, so we must accept that there exists some upper bound beyond which improving resolution isn't a selling point for most people, especially given the necessary tradeoffs in battery life, processing power, memory usage, and input latency it entails. Now consider that this ceiling may have been hit 20 years ago, and that the cont…

This is a ridiculous thing to respond to someone who complains that this hardware is worse than what was available at the same size 10 years ago.

Re: Framework's first desktop is a strange–but unique–mini ITX gaming PC

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Post by 65 »

coldpie wrote: post #22

Two other Framework announcements: New 12-inch laptop form factor with 360 degree hinge (ie "tablet mode") and a touchscreen. No price announced, but it is aimed at students: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/frameworks-laptop-12... New mainboard upgrade options for Framework 13 models: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/framework-gives-its-...

Still no haptic trackpad!

Re: Framework's first desktop is a strange–but unique–mini ITX gaming PC

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Post by bryanhogan »

jzb wrote: post #128
coldpie wrote: post #22

Two other Framework announcements: New 12-inch laptop form factor with 360 degree hinge (ie "tablet mode") and a touchscreen. No price announced, but it is aimed at students: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/frameworks-laptop-12... New mainboard upgrade options for Framework 13 models: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/framework-gives-its-...

Oh, that's far more interesting to me than the desktop thing. I have a 13" Framework now, but a 12" would be super-nice as a travel laptop -- and the tablet conversion might let me use it as a on-the-go ebook reader.

For me as well, this sounds much more exciting.

A laptop tablet hybrid that I can actually repair would be great. Would use tablet mode for image editing and hand-written notes.

Re: Framework's first desktop is a strange–but unique–mini ITX gaming PC

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Post by starkparker »

0x457 wrote: post #47
buckle8017 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the entire purpose of a CDN like cloudflare to enable bursts like that?

CF can only handle static websites, I suspect the issue the store-backend side not being able to catch up.

The 12 isn't even up for preorder, but its landing page is gated by Cloudflare all the same.

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Post by ziml77 »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #131
pcdoodle wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1920x1200 / 16:10. It's perfect for a 12" IMO.

No, it is not. It would be perfect for a 6'' phone, maybe. The goal is to have at least double the pixel density, and my 2016 tablet can reach this ( ~2700x1800 at 12'' ). Even Surfaces have been using 1440p at 12'' since 2016, and 2880 x 1920 since 2018! Why would Android & Apple tablets at much smaller screen size have higher DPIs, if 1080p was perfect? Do you expect to put Android tablets closer to your face than…

It's higher DPI than a 24" 4K monitor. It is plenty dense, especially for a battery powered device where the power needed to drive the display is a real consideration.

Re: Framework's first desktop is a strange–but unique–mini ITX gaming PC

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Post by nobankai »

65 wrote: post #156
coldpie wrote: post #22

Two other Framework announcements: New 12-inch laptop form factor with 360 degree hinge (ie "tablet mode") and a touchscreen. No price announced, but it is aimed at students: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/frameworks-laptop-12... New mainboard upgrade options for Framework 13 models: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/framework-gives-its-...

Still no haptic trackpad!

You could mod one into the hardware if you really wanted. The drivers for the Magic Trackpad are pretty much flawless on Linux, you could engineer your own plug-and-play solution with COTS hardware if you found the motivation.
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