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DOGE's only public ledger is riddled with mistakes

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You missed the part where they're deleting a ton of scientific papers from government sites.

"U.S. Government Removing EV Chargers From All Federal Buildings Because They Are ‘Not Mission-Critical" - https://electrek.co/2025/02/21/trump-to-shut-down-all-8000-e...

Well seems like a great opportunity to use Tesla chargers and directly increase Tesla revenue using public money.

Re: DOGE's only public ledger is riddled with mistakes

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I'm still not sold on this. I can't yet distinguish if the plan is to get rid of institutions or to gut what's their and rebuild it how the want it. We may not end up with a smaller government, just a different one.

That's the Heritage Foundation christo-fascist plan. Unfortunately they've teamed up with the mad Libertarian wing of the Republicans who turn up in places like HN and complain that all taxation is theft and are ready to burn the country to the ground because they've been so well programmed by propaganda that originally just wanted to build support for a tax cut for the already rich but metastasized into a superpower…

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The article is very clear and references the DOGE site. Your point seems to be that truth depends on packaging the context it’s served in. This is a classic post-truth move: Distracting from the substance by debating the style. It’s a diversion, not a logical argument. When truth is pushed to the background in favor of delivery, it’s no longer about facts, but about framing those facts to fit an agenda. You're sugges…

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> - Can you independently verify the accuracy of the data presented?

You can go to the DOGE site and also ask for more transparency. Something many argue is now impossible since they have write access to government records.

> - Are the errors due to the data itself being wrong, or are the underlying sources unreliable?

> - Do these errors appear to be the result of intentional bias, or are they reasonable mistakes?

> - Ultimately, do these issues undermine the credibility of DOGE as a trustworthy source?

The article discusses all this.

Re: DOGE's only public ledger is riddled with mistakes

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I love this reply. It's lots of serious words about the debt, and it ignores that Trump and the R party are currently trying to balloon the debt for their tax breaks.

In fact the reply specifically criticizes Trump I, the administration that passed those tax breaks. Whether you consider yourself either a Democrat or a Republican, this is not a problem that continued party politics can solve.

> Whether you consider yourself either a Democrat or a Republican,

Facts don't bend to party lines, and I pity those who let political loyalty eclipse objective reasoning.

Re: DOGE's only public ledger is riddled with mistakes

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These are good questions that are easy to answer once you’ve spent time in gov: - it is very hard to go thru every project and generally not worth it, it seems like they are sorting by contract vehicle size. there are 120k+ contracts spit out by the government every fiscal year alone so this is a monumental effort - the DEI programs are probably a PR thing, generally speaking though they accomplish essentially nothin…

DEI is not just a PR thing, it forces employers to look at places for candidates they haven't looked before. Not surprising that white women are those who benefit the most from DEI. Even one JD Vance, as a military veteran, profited from a DEI program at Yale https://www.politifact.com/article/2025/feb/19/ask-politifac... If outgoing money isn't frozen, why do farmers not receive money for the binding contracts why f…

Government contract vehicles are not binding, call orders are but can also be cancelled and provisions are made for doing so. You’re pointing to one hyper specific example of cuts as frozen spending; it is easy to confirm billions have been spent in the last week alone. There is also a case to be made for malicious compliance in many cases with cuts. It sucks these farmers aren’t getting paid, but this is not an uncommon occurrence and if they truly are owed money they will eventually be receipted or they will be able to sue under FAR provisions.

Firing IGs without notice isn’t great but if Congress has an issue with it they are free to take it up. I’m not sure why that is relevant to whether or not IGs should be fired.

Cardell was an IG for literally two decades. This is like saying a SWE at Facebook for 20 years who now works in Meta’s VR division has only been a SWE for 1 year.

OIG at Department of State especially, among all OIGs, deserves mass layoffs. The track record of that office is the absolute worst.

It is also typical for SES to get rotated out and replaced during any new administration. 1-2 years in office is totally fair game as not many make it past 3.

Regarding the IRS, that’s a campaign promise Trump made and seems to be keen on with his ERS plans. However I doubt it will come to fruition or have meaningful impact, the IRS is hard to disrupt due to longstanding relationships with Congress.

Re: DOGE's only public ledger is riddled with mistakes

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That's the Heritage Foundation christo-fascist plan. Unfortunately they've teamed up with the mad Libertarian wing of the Republicans who turn up in places like HN and complain that all taxation is theft and are ready to burn the country to the ground because they've been so well programmed by propaganda that originally just wanted to build support for a tax cut for the already rich but metastasized into a superpower…

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You do need to be mad, because you need the exact same system to protect your property rights or your entire philosophy falls apart.

"You can't force anyone to do anything" and "This bit of property belongs to me, you need to pay me for access to it" are not logically compatible.

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Either that or, you know, we want to keep Hacker News about tech. Lots of us don't want /r/politics here.

HN isn't just about tech, it's also about hacking. And this article is definitely about hacking.

Re: DOGE's only public ledger is riddled with mistakes

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Two points that are often missed: 1. Perfectly tracking every dollar is more expensive than having some slack in the system. There's an optimal amount, at least from an overall value perspective. 2. We spend too much, and both sides of the aisle repeatedly blocked attempts to curb spending for literal decades while our debt got higher. That's how someone doing something coming in with a hatchet and no plan to build g…

2) is questionable. Most of the budget is spent maintaining global hegemony through military dominance.

Whatever inefficiencies that exist on the civil side are nearly irrelevant.

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I like that the focus is on the issues with the disruptors that have been running for a few weeks, not the egregious spending for decades.

One could agree with the goals of reducing government spending and still argue that "the disruptors" are moving too fast and breaking too many things.

And illegally
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