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DOGE's only public ledger is riddled with mistakes

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Re: DOGE's only public ledger is riddled with mistakes

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The article is very clear and references the DOGE site.

Your point seems to be that truth depends on packaging the context it’s served in.

This is a classic post-truth move:

Distracting from the substance by debating the style. It’s a diversion, not a logical argument. When truth is pushed to the background in favor of delivery, it’s no longer about facts, but about framing those facts to fit an agenda.

You're suggesting that truth's value hinges on its presentation...A classic post-truth deflection that shifts attention from substance to style. In proper logic, a fact remains true regardless of its packaging.

Re: DOGE's only public ledger is riddled with mistakes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their stated goals are lower taxes, less regulation, less government presence. What they want bigger is private riches through industry and church. They all believe this, voter and representative. What part do you think gets built back? Maybe the FBI, when they’re sure it can be weaponized against their enemies.

> What part do you think gets built back? I wouldn't even begin to guess. This has all moved so quickly that I've yet to find what seems to be a reliable source on what is actually changing. My point, though, was only that we've so far seen moves to reduce headcount and pause programs. That could be the first step to closing down departments entirely, but it could also be the first step to rebuilding their own versio…

They’ve moved quickly, but this has all been in planning for decades. Their beliefs and motivations are all out there for everyone to see.

There’s nothing to suggest they want to rebuild.

Re: DOGE's only public ledger is riddled with mistakes

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and isn't annual budget $2,400 billion?

so basically without caution or care

or actually evaluating gains vs investments just slash and burn

scorched earth, destroying lives

to save 55 out of 2400 billion?

which might only really be 7 billion "saved" ?

How about the $10 million per month to go play golf?

Or $20 million to watch half the superbowl and leave?

Re: DOGE's only public ledger is riddled with mistakes

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I think impartial observers have not spent time in actual government bureaucracy. Basically everything will seem like “they’re cutting something important!” Or “they’re stopping critical research!” because every government contract needs justification; so naturally they will all sound good. The data and accounting itself is such bad quality in all cases that it is impossible to be perfect at this; there are entire in…

Very nice examples, but why then doesn't DOGE go through every project? Why did Trump end all DEI contracts, why cause the disruption by freezing all outgoing money, why fire the Inspector Generals that are inspecting their agencies for waste, why fire all probationary workers, and why the fuck do they want to mess with the IRS, the one agency that brings money in at a very successful rate? Clearly no one at Musk's D…

These are good questions that are easy to answer once you’ve spent time in gov:

- it is very hard to go thru every project and generally not worth it, it seems like they are sorting by contract vehicle size. there are 120k+ contracts spit out by the government every fiscal year alone so this is a monumental effort

- the DEI programs are probably a PR thing, generally speaking though they accomplish essentially nothing; I would probably go further though and roll up any program staffed by less than 10 people, then furlough 20% of the workforce under the larger program

- not all outgoing money has been frozen, idk how this rumor got started, it’s very specific and generally just foreign aid. this is part of trump’s campaign promise so while I don’t agree with it and it is probably going to shatter US hegemony, it is also what people voted for. the government is still spending tons of money, we are still doing more in depth tracking but it seems like only a 3-4% decrease overall

- the OIGs deserve to be fired they have not been able to stem any underlying issues for years, the outrage here is all manufactured. let me ask you this, if you hired an accountant and for the last 10 years they can neither tell you how much money you are spending nor find savings, are you going to keep that accountant?

- the IRS is not really efficient! first of all a majority of their audits are on the bottom 80% of taxpayers. yes of course the top 20% are still overrepresented correctly, but they are actually losing money for every audit they conduct on the bottom 80%. estimates are around 0.96$ per dollar with ~6k$ per audit, so they’d save $240 per audit they skip on the bottom 80% of taxpayers. it’s true they recover 6$ on average for every dollar spent on the top 20% which cost averages out to a little over 3$ recovered per dollar; however this is actually not much money, around $30B a year total. for such a massive agency and mission they do a pretty terrible job, and is very warranting of disruption

People are being gaslit into thinking the government is efficient; in reality it is endlessly bloated.

Re: DOGE's only public ledger is riddled with mistakes

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Two points that are often missed: 1. Perfectly tracking every dollar is more expensive than having some slack in the system. There's an optimal amount, at least from an overall value perspective. 2. We spend too much, and both sides of the aisle repeatedly blocked attempts to curb spending for literal decades while our debt got higher. That's how someone doing something coming in with a hatchet and no plan to build g…

Americans cheered for the gutting of USAID because they thought that spending 25% of the federal budget was too much, and should be around 10% instead. The actual spend on foreign aid? Under 1%. Americans are systemically and catastrophically disinformed. Expecting us to be able to assess the real impact of the DOGE team's fuckups is a violation of GIGO.

It'd be fantastic if surveys would allow those surveyed to do a minute or two of research before answering or correcting their answer.

Re: DOGE's only public ledger is riddled with mistakes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The plan is not destroying, but taking over. Once the cut narrative is fulfilled, these institutions will regrow with Don King's own people. Despite DDoS on the wave length, DOGE will not really gain much in the end, the real matter to balance the sheet will come from selling Ukraine which obviously takes some time to materialize.

You missed the part where they're deleting a ton of scientific papers from government sites.

"U.S. Government Removing EV Chargers From All Federal Buildings Because They Are ‘Not Mission-Critical" - https://electrek.co/2025/02/21/trump-to-shut-down-all-8000-e...

Re: DOGE's only public ledger is riddled with mistakes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very nice examples, but why then doesn't DOGE go through every project? Why did Trump end all DEI contracts, why cause the disruption by freezing all outgoing money, why fire the Inspector Generals that are inspecting their agencies for waste, why fire all probationary workers, and why the fuck do they want to mess with the IRS, the one agency that brings money in at a very successful rate? Clearly no one at Musk's D…

These are good questions that are easy to answer once you’ve spent time in gov: - it is very hard to go thru every project and generally not worth it, it seems like they are sorting by contract vehicle size. there are 120k+ contracts spit out by the government every fiscal year alone so this is a monumental effort - the DEI programs are probably a PR thing, generally speaking though they accomplish essentially nothin…

DEI is not just a PR thing, it forces employers to look at places for candidates they haven't looked before. Not surprising that white women are those who benefit the most from DEI. Even one JD Vance, as a military veteran, profited from a DEI program at Yale https://www.politifact.com/article/2025/feb/19/ask-politifac...

If outgoing money isn't frozen, why do farmers not receive money for the binding contracts why fullfill for the government. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/usda-freezes-farmer-funding...

The IGs have be fired in a very specific way that involves informing Congress. It was not done correctly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_dismissals_of_inspectors_... Cardell Richardson was in office since only May, don't know about you, but I'd give a new IG a year to get his ship running smoother. But looking at his picture I see why he was fired...

Regarding the IRS, well then we can expect that from now on only the rich people will get audited?

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The article is very clear and references the DOGE site. Your point seems to be that truth depends on packaging the context it’s served in. This is a classic post-truth move: Distracting from the substance by debating the style. It’s a diversion, not a logical argument. When truth is pushed to the background in favor of delivery, it’s no longer about facts, but about framing those facts to fit an agenda. You're sugges…

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