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Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

catlifeonmars wrote: post #793
autoexec wrote: post #746

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Wouldn't there have been be some evidence of that in the past 7 years, either through security research, or through convictions that hinged on information that was gotten from a supposedly E2E-protected backup? I wouldn't count on it. The main way we'd know about it would be a whistleblower at Google, and whistleblowers are extremely rare. Evidence and court records that might expose a secret backdoor or that the g…

People are incredibly bad at keeping secrets. And there are a LOT of people at Google. I don’t buy it.

That’s why Rule #1 of Security, is limit access; regardless of clearance.

Which explains why there’s all these security levels above “Top Secret,” which is really just a baseline.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by jamil7 »

cryptonector wrote: post #598
smsm42 wrote: post #524

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It's not literacy. They don't care. They need control, and if establishing control means increased risks for you, it's not something they see as a negative factor. It's your problem, not theirs.

They don't even need control. They want control. Why? Either they're idiots who think they need control or they are tyrants who know they'll need control later on when they start doing seriously tyrannical things.

> Why? Either they're idiots who think they need control or they are tyrants

Many politicians are individuals without any talent who desire power and control, politics is the only avenue open to people like that.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by pacifika »

oakesm9 wrote: post #384
madeofpalk wrote: post #221

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When you disable ADP, your local encryption keys are uploaded to Apple's servers to be read by them. Apple could just lock you out of iCloud until you do this.

That’s exactly the plan. Anyone with this enabled in the UK will need to manually disable it or they’ll get locked out of their iCloud account after a deadline.

And I guess Apple gets fined for not allowing government approved alternatives to these services not long after.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by blitzar »

miroljub wrote: post #140
vroomvroomboom wrote: post #54

It's the right choice: don't bow to government pressure, let the people pressure the government.

How? In the UK, there's no right to bear arms, so people are pretty helpless against their oppressing government.

We could try the American way, bear our arms and shoot up a school, but I don't see how that will help.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by pacifika »

botanical76 wrote: post #692
int_19h wrote: post #655

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Many people do, unfortunately, so long as it's framed as "only terrorists and pedophiles need encryption that cops can't break".

How do we actually beat this narrative? I've been proposing a E2EE-based chat application to my friend, and they asked me a similar question: won't it just be rife with pedophiles? How can you make a platform that will be used to that means? I have strong views about privacy as a fundamental human right, but I don't know how to answer that question. I certainly don't want to make the world worse, but this feels like…

I suppose it is conflating lack of trust in government / law enforcement with criminal matters.

Don’t give power over yourself to people with a proven history of misusing it, according to your values. You don’t have to look hard for examples.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by HenryBemis »

bArray wrote: post #106

Too right, it was far more problematic than they ever made out. > The UK government's demand came through a "technical capability notice" under the Investigatory Powers Act (IPA), requiring Apple to create a backdoor that would allow British security officials to access encrypted user data globally. The order would have compromised Apple's Advanced Data Protection feature, which provides end-to-end encryption for iCl…

What I fund 'amusing' is the swap between Left vs Right.

'Back in the day' it was the "Right" that wanted have total access/total control over everything. So people turned a bit "left". Now the "Left" government is seeking totalitarian-style control ('because paedophiles/drugs/etc.).

As a reminder, both Right and Left extremes went from 'liberal/conservatives' to "we don't need elections ever again - trust me!".

I saw this happening in the US, in Saudi (e.g. Blackberry 'keys'). Now I see it in the UK. So I interpret this in two ways: 1) The "Left is the new Right" (or "Right is the new Left") 2) Left and Right are irrelevant terms when it comes down to "we need to exert control over people/knowledge/data/information/etc. And the 'guise' of Left/Right is just on the fiscal policies. So UK has been playing around with 'snooper charter' but at 'that' time Apple's encryption was not on the table.

Apple (I don't blame them - very much - just a little) does what a company does. Makes money. And they prefer to sell-out the data of their clients and keep their money, than lose that money.

So... yeah.. if your data is in someone else's server, that happens.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by blitzar »

commandersaki wrote: post #547
nullbyte808 wrote: post #429

They should of forced ADP on by default and this would of never happened.

That would alienate users due to key management complexity. Apple is about having a smooth user experience.

Apple processes multiple orders of magnitude more account recoveries for customers each day than receive government requests.
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