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Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by globular-toast »

shuckles wrote: post #302
jcarrano wrote: post #212

The smartphone is a terrible platform. Something like this could never happen on the PC, where you can install any encryption and backup software that you want. While Apple did the right thing by refusing to give the UK government a backdoor, they are responsible for getting users in this situation in the first place. I'm not familiar with the iPhone and maybe there is already an alternative to iCloud ADP, although t…

The smartphone platform is the most secure by default personal computer most people own, largely because of the control enforced by Apple.

Secure for Apple, not for the users.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by globular-toast »

i2km wrote: post #350
Eavolution wrote: post #128

What are you actually supposed to do in the UK if you oppose this sort of thing to stop laws like this coming in? It feels like the government has been incredibly out of touch for the last number of years.

You get the hell out and emigrate. I did so last year. It's not going to get better chap

Where did you go?

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by vixen99 »

osigurdson wrote: post #698
bArray wrote: post #106

Too right, it was far more problematic than they ever made out. > The UK government's demand came through a "technical capability notice" under the Investigatory Powers Act (IPA), requiring Apple to create a backdoor that would allow British security officials to access encrypted user data globally. The order would have compromised Apple's Advanced Data Protection feature, which provides end-to-end encryption for iCl…

What is going on in the UK? How do they stand for this?

Irrespective of political leanings, a lot of British people are saying this. They stand for it because they have to. It's a government that was voted in by a large margin only six months ago. Disquiet, if that's the word, is pretty much universal and I am not sure we've been quite in this position before. Keir Starmer's decline in approval ratings 'marks the most substantial post-election fall for any British prime minister in recent history'.

https://politicalpulse.net/uk-polls/keir-starmer-approval-ra...

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by kiratp »

fdb345 wrote: post #428
jahewson wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the case of the U.K., they can throw you in jail for not handing over your encryption key, so it’s a moot point. They’ve been slowly expanding this power for twenty years now.

ive been through all this with the law. no one ever got jailed for not handing over encryption keys unless they were a definitive criminal and theres strong evidence there is criminal data on the device. they tried this with me (NCA) but the judge wouldnt sign off as they had nothning on me or my device. this did however REALLY want to access it! fuck them. pricks

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/25/tommy-robinson-c...

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by IceHegel »

dk1138 wrote: post #728

The more I live I’m less concerned about what are often described as “bad actors”. The bad actors are often the state, and this kind of information is collected without thought to the risk of future politicians who don’t follow the rules or who don’t have any respect for the laws.

Through all history state security has been a thing. The Stasi and KGB are transparently state security forces to the West, but the CIA and MI5/6 are... what exactly?

The primary purpose of these agencies, despite what has been written down on paper, is NOT to protect the citizens of the countries that fund them. It is to protect the system that taxes those citizens.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by rdm_blackhole »

dumbledoren wrote: post #767
rdm_blackhole wrote: post #496

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is blatantly false. The EU has been pushing to pass the Chat Control law for the last 3 years which is even worse because at least in the UK the government would still need to get a warrant for the data they want whereas the EU wants to analyze your chat messages, emails and pictures in real time without cause or need to justify themselves.

> Again and again, 'Eu' is not pushing anything like that. A few Euparl MPs backed by those like Ashton Kutcher did.

The EU is pushing for this. The EU "Going Dark" group is pushing for this as well as per https://edri.org/our-work/high-level-group-going-dark-outcom...

The fact of the matter is that if the EU was, as it's been said, for privacy this proposal would not have been on the table in the first place. It should have been stopped 3 years ago but here we are again fighting for our rights and our privacy.

And it doesn't matter how many times it gets shot down by some of the countries in the EU, the commission changes a few words and starts the process all over again because they know that sooner or later they will get it through.

You can't have it both ways. You either are for privacy or you are not. If you are then this proposal should never have seen the light of the day and the people pushing for it should have been given a warning that this was off-limits.

Instead they are biding their time so that when the time is right they can come back with a slightly altered but still incredibly damaging proposal hoping that it will pass.

The EU pro-privacy stance is joke. They want access to the same data as the US except they don't have the courage to come out and say it so they wrap it in a nice little gift bag with the words "protect the children" on it.

This is hypocrisy in it's purest form. Then some governments in the EU have the gall to call out authoritarians regimes around the world when they crack down on dissent and free speech? Give me a break!

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Post by jamiek88 »

vixen99 wrote: post #813
osigurdson wrote: post #698

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is going on in the UK? How do they stand for this?

Irrespective of political leanings, a lot of British people are saying this. They stand for it because they have to. It's a government that was voted in by a large margin only six months ago. Disquiet, if that's the word, is pretty much universal and I am not sure we've been quite in this position before. Keir Starmer's decline in approval ratings 'marks the most substantial post-election fall for any British prime m…

This is a law enacted by the previous government.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by sunaookami »

dumbledoren wrote: post #765
sunaookami wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU is currently planning exactly the same thing with Chat Control.

Eu isnt 'planning' anything like that. Some Euparl MPs backed by people like Ashton Kutcher tried to push a law to spy on all chat apps. Then when the dirty web of American-style regulatory manipulation was exposed, they backed off. It was a proposal for a law by some MPs. Not something 'Eu' did.

They backed off "for now". They are trying this for ages, did you forget about ACTA and Von der Leyen's past censorship attempts in Germany? Have you read the DSA? Of course the EU is planning to go full authoritian in the name of "protecting democracy".
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