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Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Can someone explain what's changed in the UK that they would consider requesting unfettered access to all Apple customer data (including outside their own borders)? I get that the NSA is infamous for warrant-less surveillance, but this seems a step further.

This is part and parcel of the collapse of western capitalism (aka American empire). You get two main choices when capitalism fails - fascism or communism/socialism. It's clear that the UK has chosen fascism (either liberals like Labor or extreme right like Reform).

That choice exists only in cases in which the people can effect a revolution. The UK elite is too strongly in control of the country through its establishment, so, it will be a loud tumble down the hillside towards fascism...

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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What the UK government achieved: Lowering the data protection of it's citizens in comparison to the rest of the world. I was under the impression governments were supposed to protect their citizens.

>> Lowering the data protection of it's citizens in comparison to the rest of the world. I was under the impression governments were supposed to protect their citizens.

This depends on whether you see "citizens" as individuals or as a group. In other words it's possible that to improve the security (and thus protect) the majority, the rights of individual citizens need to be eroded.

For example, to protect vulnerable citizens from crime (the cliche of child porn is useful here, but it extends to most-all crime) it's useful for prosecutors to be able to collect evidence against guilty parties. This means that the erosion of some privacy of those parties.

Thus the govt balances "group security" with "individual privacy". It has always been so. So to return to your original hypothesis;

>> Lowering the data protection of it's citizens in comparison to the rest of the world. ... and also, making it easier to detect and prosecute criminals, and thus protect the citizens from physical harm.

Now, of course, whenever it comes to balancing one thing against another, there's no easy way to make everyone happy. We all want perfect privacy, coupled with perfect security. Some will say that they'll take more privacy, less security - others will take more security and less privacy. Where you stand on this issue of course depends on which side you lean.

More fundamentally though there's a trust issue. Citizens (currently) do not trust governments. They assume that these tools can be used to harm more than just criminals. (They're not wrong.) If you don't trust the govt to act in good faith then naturally you choose privacy over security.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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This was Brexits doing. As we are no longer EU, we have our own cool rules such as the upcoming PM allowed to watch me take a piss law.

The EU is currently planning exactly the same thing with Chat Control.

Eu isnt 'planning' anything like that. Some Euparl MPs backed by people like Ashton Kutcher tried to push a law to spy on all chat apps. Then when the dirty web of American-style regulatory manipulation was exposed, they backed off. It was a proposal for a law by some MPs. Not something 'Eu' did.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Could this have been a reason UK pushed to separation from the EU? EU is all for privacy while UK is slowly drifting towards becoming a Stasi state.

No, EU is NOT "all for privacy". I don't know where this myth comes from but I see it repeated here often. 1. EU is pushing for mandatory on-device scanning of all your messages (chat control). The current proposal includes scanning of all videos and images all the time for all citizens. The proposal started with analyzing all text too. The discussions are happening behind close doors. EU Ombudsman has accused EU com…

Again and again, 'Eu' is not pushing anything like that. A few Euparl MPs backed by those like Ashton Kutcher did.

> Eu isnt 'planning' anything like that. Some Euparl MPs backed by people like Ashton Kutcher tried to push a law to spy on all chat apps. Then when the dirty web of American-style regulatory manipulation was exposed, they backed off. It was a proposal for a law by some MPs. Not something 'Eu' did.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Could this have been a reason UK pushed to separation from the EU? EU is all for privacy while UK is slowly drifting towards becoming a Stasi state.

This is blatantly false. The EU has been pushing to pass the Chat Control law for the last 3 years which is even worse because at least in the UK the government would still need to get a warrant for the data they want whereas the EU wants to analyze your chat messages, emails and pictures in real time without cause or need to justify themselves.

> Again and again, 'Eu' is not pushing anything like that. A few Euparl MPs backed by those like Ashton Kutcher did.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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post #363

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I really wish they would sit down and negotiate this more openly. The silence from the other players is what really makes me uncomfortable. The fact that only Apple is making a stand against this ask is really scary.

Agreed, the UK is speed running 1984 right in front of us.

Only three (well, now four) mentions of 1984 in the comments tells you all you need to know

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Why not? Signal was willing to run all kinds crazy setups to evade foreign laws, like domain fronting. https://signal.org/blog/doodles-stickers-censorship/

If Signal can do it, then why doesn't Apple make a stand?

If signal doesn’t make a stand, the entire value prop of signal collapses and they cease to be a thing.

For Apple, privacy is one value prop. But seemingly smaller one than the UK market.

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