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Post by Jensson »

esafak wrote: post #203
logicchains wrote: post #163

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The laws of economics apply just as much to AI as they do to humans, if anything AI is an even better (more rational) homo economicus. Even if AI wiped out all humans, the AIs would still need a monetary system for trading among themselves.

Would they need to trade once they figure out how to generate energy for nearly free and thus obtain anything? Trading is for the resource limited.

AGI means smart like a human, it doesn't mean it invents new things only found in science fiction. It is unlikely the AI will generate infinite free energy.

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Post by neves »

torginus wrote: post #147
SequoiaHope wrote: post #27

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Well, it’s a highly effective PR tactic that works well for the small fish. You say your competition is too selfish and you just want to help people and it creates a bunch of goodwill you can use to grow. Once you grow, your view on things changes, and you’re able to be more selfish. It’s not guaranteed things will go that way, but it’s certainly true that this is a good PR tactic for new entrants in to a crowded fie…

I think DeepSeek is trying to push the idea that LLMs are not marketable products themselves, but are a part of the 'digital commons', as in a hard to develop and maintain software which in of itself does not produce value, but can be the foundation of a product that does. This is very similar to what Facebook is doing with Llama, or what is going on with big open source projects, like databases or the Linux kernel.…

It also is similar what Saudi Arabia and OPED did with fracking. When American fracking companies were full of debt, OPED got down the price of oil and a log of enterprises had to default.

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Post by fspeech »

mmoskal wrote: post #40
thundergolfer wrote: post #15

“Pure garage-energy” is a great phrase. Most interested to see their inference stack, hope that’s one of the 5. I think most people are running R1 on a single H200 node but Deepseek had much lower RAM per GPU for their inference and so had some cluster based MoE deployment.

Their tech report says one inference deployment is around 400 GPUs...

You need that to optimize load balancing. Unfortunately that gain is not available to small or individual deployment.

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Post by mudlus »

infecto wrote: post #192

Am I the only one excited for the release but not overanalyzing their words? This thread feels full of personal interpretations. DeepSeek is still a business—great release, but expectations and motivations seem inflated.

In China businesses are not treated as a type of person under law. The word "business" does not mean the same thing there.

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Post by tough »

csomar wrote: post #24

> These are humble building blocks of our online service: documented, deployed and battle-tested in production. No vaporware, just code that moved our tiny moonshot forward. My not-so-innocent guess is that they are looking to crowd-source their online platform (the front-end essentially) in order to reduce costs. Still acceptable though as they made the model open weight and partially re-producible.

their frontend is probably just open'webui https://github.com/open-webui/open-webui

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Post by maxlin »

Arkhaine_kupo wrote: post #108
maxlin wrote: post #102

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Saying that Musk "doesn't have the mindset" for betterment of humanity is just ignorant in a very short-sighted way. Sure, he currently has a side project of fixing the US government and ensuring US doesn't stray too far outside of its core interests, but SpaceX and Tesla are still his bread and butter he has spent most of his time on beside this scenic route. I've followed him closely since ~2016 so I can say this w…

> I've followed him closely since ~2016 so I can say this with some conviction. Its sad that you fell for it then. Read Phillip Long's post on him, not someone who follows him but someone who has worked with him for years. It should be eye opening in the kind of man he is. There will be no Mars terraforming, his goal is being the worlds first trillionaire. The emperor has no clothes, the companies run despite him not…

Thanks, I think I know him pretty much as there is to know. People will try to shoot him down and project their own demons on him. He's an actual maverick who provably has lead his technological companies to success as a Technological lead.

Here's a take by people who have had actual direct contact with him. https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/eviden...

The arguments against his capability to lead cross-field technical operations should be disproven by his successes that he has proven several times in sequence. The argument of him being a fraud is basically hinging on him rolling d20 several times in a row, and only acceptable to those not knowing his personality and attributing his actions to malice (through self-projection of the viewer). Philip's arguments tell as much.

He's done plenty enemies while at it! Wouldn't really expect anything else being as disruptive as raw autism in fixing the species might be. They'll fade.

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Post by maxlin »

ProcNetDev wrote: post #190
maxlin wrote: post #102

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Saying that Musk "doesn't have the mindset" for betterment of humanity is just ignorant in a very short-sighted way. Sure, he currently has a side project of fixing the US government and ensuring US doesn't stray too far outside of its core interests, but SpaceX and Tesla are still his bread and butter he has spent most of his time on beside this scenic route. I've followed him closely since ~2016 so I can say this w…

Look past what he says and into what is actually happening. He is actively helping take health care from poor people. He is firing thousands of people with families, mortgages and medical bills without cause. He is closing our national parks. All so he can personally have a tax cut. His ex-wife is frantically posting for him to help with the healthcare of their own son in his replies. He can't even manage his family…

So ... Because people who could bear families, but could not earn a living are being "left on dire straits", and Elon is against upkeeping such an unearned situation, Elon's the bad guy?

The vision that sees this as bad is obviously tainted by corruption, and is so not worth of care especially as the people leaving their jobs will have a damn good golden parachute.

At least try to argue on the same level.

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Post by maxlin »

xinuc wrote: post #107
maxlin wrote: post #102

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Saying that Musk "doesn't have the mindset" for betterment of humanity is just ignorant in a very short-sighted way. Sure, he currently has a side project of fixing the US government and ensuring US doesn't stray too far outside of its core interests, but SpaceX and Tesla are still his bread and butter he has spent most of his time on beside this scenic route. I've followed him closely since ~2016 so I can say this w…

There was a time when I was this naive, but it's surely a very long time ago

Congratulations you're just naive to things that are easier to believe for a weak mind now.

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Post by maxlin »

_joel wrote: post #167
maxlin wrote: post #102

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Saying that Musk "doesn't have the mindset" for betterment of humanity is just ignorant in a very short-sighted way. Sure, he currently has a side project of fixing the US government and ensuring US doesn't stray too far outside of its core interests, but SpaceX and Tesla are still his bread and butter he has spent most of his time on beside this scenic route. I've followed him closely since ~2016 so I can say this w…

I think you've been drinking the koolaid too much. He's only in it to enrich himself and his cronies. There's a reason he's on course to become a trillionaire and it ain't because of altruism.

Yeah starting a rocket company is the best way to become rich. As so many before him managed doing that xd

get a grip. Research how financially mad / "irresponsible" that was.

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