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Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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NO, it's the wrong choice. Most people do not understand this stuff enough to truly care about, and they just want their devices to work. This is an awful decision by Apple. There's really nothing consumers can do to pressure the British government.

Consumers being unable to pressure government, even if true, does not imply this is a bad decision.

It's a terrible decision that will have grave ramifications. I see no positive to this action.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Is that true? Only iCloud can back up an iPhone? They dont provide any way to even extract an encrypted archive so you can keep it safe for yourself? I get more and more amazed at Apples lock in tactics. This is why I own nothing Apple, and have complete control over everything in my digital world.

No, you can use iTunes to make a local backup too. It was a thing long before iCloud.

Fair enough, however iTunes is also Apple software no?

So your choice is use Apple software to make your backups, or....?

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Too right, it was far more problematic than they ever made out. > The UK government's demand came through a "technical capability notice" under the Investigatory Powers Act (IPA), requiring Apple to create a backdoor that would allow British security officials to access encrypted user data globally. The order would have compromised Apple's Advanced Data Protection feature, which provides end-to-end encryption for iCl…

> What concerns me more is that Apple is the only company audibly making a stand.

But still Apple operates in China and Google does not. This is weird to me. Google left China when the government wanted all keys to the citizens data. Apple is making a stand when it's visible and does not threaten their business too much.

Apple is not really in the business of protecting your data, they are just good at marketing and keeping their image.

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Let's vote Labor and Liberal to keep the UK from going fascist on our data. Oh wait....shit.

They got what they voted for and now that those voters are surprised?

It's really hilarious to try to blame previous governments for such unpopular moves like this one.

If Labour was any better, then they would never have used the Investigatory Powers Act to force Apple to take actions such as this.

For those who thought Labour would never do this, should just admit that this move was done under Labour and they are no better than the Tories.

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Fundamentally, I think the issue is more about technical literacy amongst the political establishment who consistently rely on the fallacy that having nothing to hide means you have nothing to fear. Especially in the UK which operates as a paternalistic state and enjoys authoritarian support across all parties. On the authoritarianism: these laws are always worded in such a way that they can be applied or targeted va…

Furthermore, one UK head of state call everyone supporting encryption pedophiles https://x.com/BenWallace70/status/1892972120818299199

Just to be clear: Wallace is not a head of state, or even an MP any more. At one point, he was Secretary of State for Defence, a Cabinet position, however he resigned this in 2023.

This doesn’t justify his position (it’s stupid) but he doesn’t speak for the current government.

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Can someone explain what's changed in the UK that they would consider requesting unfettered access to all Apple customer data (including outside their own borders)? I get that the NSA is infamous for warrant-less surveillance, but this seems a step further.

It is "just" the domestic intelligence agency ordering Apple to backdoor their own system be able to supply data for lawful interception. As I read the article, it's not a UK backdoor in the sense they can roam around in every users data. The domestic agencies still need to follow the rules of lawful interception, namely they need a warrant, and it is targeted at UK nationals only. At least that is how I read the article.

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> Especially in the UK which operates as a paternalistic state and enjoys authoritarian support across all parties. This seemed strange to point out. It’s not really any more or less “paternalistic” than most western nations including the US.

Folks in the United States aren't routinely arrested for Facebook posts.

They're not arrested for posting on Facebook. They're arrested for _what_ they're posting on Facebook.
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