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Malaysia is betting on data centers to boost its economy

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Re: Malaysia is betting on data centers to boost its economy

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There was once a proposal to run an extension cord from Australia to Singapore [1] since Australia could have plentiful and cheap solar power. However, the project collapsed after the capricious billionaire backers ditched it. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia-Asia_Power_Link

Why bother going all the way to Singapore when their neighbor (Java) has 100 million people?

Singapore rich. Indonesia poor.

Re: Malaysia is betting on data centers to boost its economy

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I was just on a call with a company in Japan yesterday talking about deploying datacenters in KL. News verified I guess... Malaysia isn't that cheap for SEA btw. Thailand and Indonesia are probably cheaper. They've got a wildly unique system of rotating kings if you've never looked into it. Also this could be like a 50 episode series https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1Malaysia_Development_Berhad...

Malaysia has cheaper energy and a more open financial system than Indonesia and Thailand. Humans are a bit more expensive but that's not your biggest cost in a data center.

Malaysia is also (more or less, for business purposes) common law. Indonesia and Thailand are not.

Re: Malaysia is betting on data centers to boost its economy

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I'm a Chinese Malaysian, and I feel the need to highlight the other side of the coin—the risks multinational corporations (MNCs) face when setting up data centers in Malaysia. Despite being elected on the promise of reform, the government's actual performance has been anything but. The press is still frequently suppressed; social media platforms are required to obtain a yearly license or risk being fined or shut down…

"The press is still frequently suppressed" and "forced all ISPs to route traffic through their DNS instead of allowing users to freely use Google or Cloudflare DNS"

how can international investor investing in data center where their data is supressed and censor??

Re: Malaysia is betting on data centers to boost its economy

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Isn't that part of the world usually has warmer climate? Unless the electricity there is somehow extremely cheap, I can't see how they can compete with Iceland, for example.

"I can't see how they can compete with Iceland" Yeah but that's the problem its in iceland

You want to make data center close as possible to your customer

Re: Malaysia is betting on data centers to boost its economy

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My understanding is that transit/peering in Southeast Asia is pretty awful in general, and that's why a lot of CDNs and service providers charge you extra for traffic exiting in that region. I'm not sure how much of that is a lack of investment in infrastructure and how much is unresolved corporate / geopolitical tensions - but either way, building more data centers isn't going to fix it.

I'm also curious as to why transit is so extortionately expensive in this region.

Lots of dominant telcos in their country (less competition).

Massive place requiring a lot of capital expensive submarine cables.

Re: Malaysia is betting on data centers to boost its economy

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When I traveled to KL in 2019 I was impressed with how open and tolerant it was. My wife and I were asked no questions upon entry. Our passports were stamped and we were told "Welcome to Malaysia". We went during Eid, and were very comfortable despite being western atheists.

The Parent is a Chinese-Malay and they do have grievances but his answer is probably biased. Malaysia is far from perfect but it is not Afghanistan. It is one of the best Muslim countries.

I'd argue Germany is the better Muslim country.

Re: Malaysia is betting on data centers to boost its economy

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I'm a Chinese Malaysian, and I feel the need to highlight the other side of the coin—the risks multinational corporations (MNCs) face when setting up data centers in Malaysia. Despite being elected on the promise of reform, the government's actual performance has been anything but. The press is still frequently suppressed; social media platforms are required to obtain a yearly license or risk being fined or shut down…

"The press is still frequently suppressed" and "forced all ISPs to route traffic through their DNS instead of allowing users to freely use Google or Cloudflare DNS" how can international investor investing in data center where their data is supressed and censor??

Ah, now you see the irony. That's the kind of irony we Malaysians have to live with.

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What about heat transfer? At least in a moderate, dry climate (whereas SP is hot/humid) there’s a natural benefit to having a high surface area to volume ratio, favoring wide/flat spaces, from the perspective of heat rejection. I’m not sure to what extent space cooling is actually a controlling factor in DC design, or what the typical strategies are (for instance I assume there are lots of new systems which make use…

Passive heat rejection from the exterior of the datacenter was never going to be the way to go, even with a short, wide datacenter -- external evaporative cooling towers are the way to go. Liquid cooling for the core is already best practice for high power density racks, which gives you the ability to separate how you solve for cooling and how densely you can pack your gear.

Yeah cooling towers seems like the obvious choice, thanks for confirming! I’m sure there are some other more exciting designs that hook datacenters up to prosumer/mesh topology ambient-temp district heating/cooling loops - or there should be if there aren’t! - but what you described makes perfect sense.

Re: Malaysia is betting on data centers to boost its economy

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I'm a Chinese Malaysian, and I feel the need to highlight the other side of the coin—the risks multinational corporations (MNCs) face when setting up data centers in Malaysia. Despite being elected on the promise of reform, the government's actual performance has been anything but. The press is still frequently suppressed; social media platforms are required to obtain a yearly license or risk being fined or shut down…

When I traveled to KL in 2019 I was impressed with how open and tolerant it was. My wife and I were asked no questions upon entry. Our passports were stamped and we were told "Welcome to Malaysia". We went during Eid, and were very comfortable despite being western atheists.

Open & tolerant? As a gay man you just made me laugh & cry. Hell, even fairly recently: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8rkx271xe6o a kiss between 2 men on stage got the band banned from the country.

Now, before you completely disregard the point I'm making; yes, they did ignore the laws/warnings they were given but your point is that Malaysia is tolerant and my point is that Malaysia is not tolerant at all.

We should call out intolerance when we see it; saying homophobia is a part of their "culture" is not good enough.

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