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Malaysia is betting on data centers to boost its economy

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Re: Malaysia is betting on data centers to boost its economy

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How much boosting do you get? So you get construction ... But staffing after that, most big data-centers really focus on having as little staffing as possible. They're big, but I don't think they are big employers. I used to visit some BIG data centers that were largely unmanned.

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Re: Malaysia is betting on data centers to boost its economy

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Long term, you'll want your datacenters to be roughly spherical to minimize cross-section path length latencies.

Volume increases to the cube, where as surface area only increases to square. This results in large, perfectly spherical, data centre being more difficult to cool, especially when operating in a vacuum.

Agreed that surface cooling only for a spherical datacenter would be a bit silly; we're gonna need some exciting liquid plumbing to wend its way through, but that's already best practice for GPU cluster builds.

Re: Malaysia is betting on data centers to boost its economy

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This article has so many problems that I don't know where to start. > Tech companies exploiting resources in poorer countries while extracting data from their populations to get rich is akin to “digital colonialism.” She compared data extraction to silver mining in Bolivia, which enriched colonial Spain but left nothing behind for Latin America. “They are extracting data in the same way. Data doesn’t even leave (behi…

We need to organise a task force to rescue Singapore from digital colonialism. Why isn't the UN doing anything???

Re: Malaysia is betting on data centers to boost its economy

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Long term, you'll want your datacenters to be roughly spherical to minimize cross-section path length latencies.

What about heat transfer? At least in a moderate, dry climate (whereas SP is hot/humid) there’s a natural benefit to having a high surface area to volume ratio, favoring wide/flat spaces, from the perspective of heat rejection. I’m not sure to what extent space cooling is actually a controlling factor in DC design, or what the typical strategies are (for instance I assume there are lots of new systems which make use…

Passive heat rejection from the exterior of the datacenter was never going to be the way to go, even with a short, wide datacenter -- external evaporative cooling towers are the way to go. Liquid cooling for the core is already best practice for high power density racks, which gives you the ability to separate how you solve for cooling and how densely you can pack your gear.

Re: Malaysia is betting on data centers to boost its economy

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> the MCMC backed down after massive public outcry, but the government's authoritarian tendencies remain palpable. That contradicts your thesis. They did listen to feedback from the people, that's democracy.

That such a ridiculous idea even being proposed is already a huge indication of authoritarianism, not to mention that MCMC could resurrect the idea at any time.

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I'm a Chinese Malaysian, and I feel the need to highlight the other side of the coin—the risks multinational corporations (MNCs) face when setting up data centers in Malaysia. Despite being elected on the promise of reform, the government's actual performance has been anything but. The press is still frequently suppressed; social media platforms are required to obtain a yearly license or risk being fined or shut down…

I don’t think the rising Islamist tendencies would be any different if Umno was still running things - from my perspective most of these trends slowed down under recent government but they continue to trend in a worrying direction.

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That such a ridiculous idea even being proposed is already a huge indication of authoritarianism, not to mention that MCMC could resurrect the idea at any time.

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In the future these kind of "whatabout" comments should be auto-flagged due to how unproductive they are.

Re: Malaysia is betting on data centers to boost its economy

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I'm a Chinese Malaysian, and I feel the need to highlight the other side of the coin—the risks multinational corporations (MNCs) face when setting up data centers in Malaysia. Despite being elected on the promise of reform, the government's actual performance has been anything but. The press is still frequently suppressed; social media platforms are required to obtain a yearly license or risk being fined or shut down…

> the MCMC backed down after massive public outcry, but the government's authoritarian tendencies remain palpable. That contradicts your thesis. They did listen to feedback from the people, that's democracy.

This is simplistic. China famously ended the COVID lockdown after protests broke out. Would you call that a democracy?

Re: Malaysia is betting on data centers to boost its economy

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It is a pretty unfounded claim. Singapore holds the headquarters of a lot of SEA megacorporations, as well as regional HQs of big tech in both USA/China. These chips are bought from these HQs and redistributed to the rest of the world (Singapore is a major shipping hub). India imports chips through their HQs in Singapore, so does Australia, Saudi Arabia, Europe, America, etc. Maybe you could make the case that shady…

America imports GPUs from Singapore? I don't think Singapore is more than a drop in the bucket of America's GPU imports. America imports them from Taiwan. This makes me skeptical of your other claims. Do you have evidence that most of the rest of the world for some reason routes their GPU imports through Singapore? That seems quite pointless.

> America imports GPUs from Singapore? I don't think Singapore is more than a drop in the bucket of America's GPU imports. America imports them from Taiwan.

Most stuff shipped from Taiwan to America goes via Singapore at least physically. It's the big shipping hub in the region.

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In the future these kind of "whatabout" comments should be auto-flagged due to how unproductive they are.

Are they unproductive? How many people are saying that UK and Europe shouldn't build data centers? Is irrationality not to be called out, simply because it's hurts some pre-existing notions of societal, civilisation, or perhaps racial superiority?
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