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Palantir Drops 10% on Report of Pentagon Slashing Budget

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Re: Palantir Drops 10% on Report of Pentagon Slashing Budget

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Post by whatshisface »

spamizbad wrote: post #36
rayiner wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s what a multipolar world is. It allows Russia and China to do in their back yards what America has always done in its back yard.

Actually what Russia is doing is already much worse. What's the US equivalent of the first and second Chechen wars? China and the US are probably the closest analogs right now.

Iraq and Afghanistan were both pretty rough for the people living in those countries, and like the war in Ukraine neither one could be justified by reference to the interests of the invader, much less any of its citizens.

Re: Palantir Drops 10% on Report of Pentagon Slashing Budget

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Post by spamizbad »

milesrout wrote: post #31
spamizbad wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The realignment is less about globalism vs nationalism + multi-polar world and more about creating a tolerance for expansionist nationalism whereby we establish an agreement with major powers to divide up the world for open conquest, with Russia, China and the United States all operating in their respective "sphere of influence" I think its proponents imagine a world where Russia slowly reassembles territories it los…

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Re: Palantir Drops 10% on Report of Pentagon Slashing Budget

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Post by w-ll »

whatshisface wrote: post #37
w-ll wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think we are gonna have fair elections in 4 years? - You won't have to do it anymore. Four more years, you know what, it will be fixed, it will be fine, you won't have to vote anymore..."

The president can't just say, "no more elections."

Back during my high school civics class I would believe that.

But headlines such as "Trump signs order declaring only president and AG can interpret US law for executive branch"

Make me wonder.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Palantir Drops 10% on Report of Pentagon Slashing Budget

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Post by 3eb7988a1663 »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #29
rayiner wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least among voters, there’s been a realignment over the last decade along the globalism/nationalism dividing line. The factions that favor globalism seem to also favor American military empire (to keep the trade routes safe or whatever, I don’t know). I don’t trust republicans in Congress to actually do it. But it could be a historic opportunity for democrats to call their bluff and support the cuts. A once in a c…

> I don’t trust republicans in Congress to actually do it. But it could be a historic opportunity for democrats to call their bluff and support the cuts. I think there’s a huge natural reason for both parties to get behind significant and aggressive cost cutting, which is the accumulating debt and wasted spending on interest payments. Reductions in costs, even outside mandatory spending, will have an effect on reduci…

I do not see how you square that with the tax cuts that are being proposed in the same breath. Some $4.5 trillion in reduced revenue makes the debt problem worse.

Re: Palantir Drops 10% on Report of Pentagon Slashing Budget

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Post by spamizbad »

whatshisface wrote: post #41
spamizbad wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually what Russia is doing is already much worse. What's the US equivalent of the first and second Chechen wars? China and the US are probably the closest analogs right now.

Iraq and Afghanistan were both pretty rough for the people living in those countries, and like the war in Ukraine neither one could be justified by reference to the interests of the invader, much less any of its citizens.

Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan are US territories.

Re: Palantir Drops 10% on Report of Pentagon Slashing Budget

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Post by XorNot »

lantry wrote: post #18
rayiner wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least among voters, there’s been a realignment over the last decade along the globalism/nationalism dividing line. The factions that favor globalism seem to also favor American military empire (to keep the trade routes safe or whatever, I don’t know). I don’t trust republicans in Congress to actually do it. But it could be a historic opportunity for democrats to call their bluff and support the cuts. A once in a c…

> to keep the trade routes safe or whatever, I don’t know Americans benefit a lot from being the world superpower, a lot more than they know, in ways that aren't apparent until they're gone. In 10 years it will be obvious what a mistake it was to intentionally renounce this position.

The US dollar as the global reserve currency is an advantage Americans really don't appreciate the magnitude of. The US government is the one nation on Earth that can mint it's own money, and then just pay for things it wants in that same currency directly.

There is international trade not involving the US which is executed in US dollars, and country's where it's the de facto real currency compared to the local one.

If the global political situation shifts and say, the Euro becomes the global reserve, just how much power the US will have shed is difficult to comprehend.

Re: Palantir Drops 10% on Report of Pentagon Slashing Budget

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Post by throwup238 »

whatshisface wrote: post #41
spamizbad wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually what Russia is doing is already much worse. What's the US equivalent of the first and second Chechen wars? China and the US are probably the closest analogs right now.

Iraq and Afghanistan were both pretty rough for the people living in those countries, and like the war in Ukraine neither one could be justified by reference to the interests of the invader, much less any of its citizens.

I think you’re misunderstanding the analogy. The equivalent would be Guam or Puerto Rico rebelling against the United States in a protracted guerrilla conflict.

The ethnic and cultural landscape in the Russian “republics” that didn’t gain independence after the fall of the Soviet union is a bit more complicated than the dynamics of US territories so I’m not sure how enlightening that analogy is though. If I were inclined to argue the point I’d bring up reservations as a counterexample.

Re: Palantir Drops 10% on Report of Pentagon Slashing Budget

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Post by Waterluvian »

rayiner wrote: post #12
readthenotes1 wrote: post #4

It is kind of funny to me that the lede is about Palontir instead of the absolutely stunning call by a Republican for the DoD to reduce budget by 8%.

At least among voters, there’s been a realignment over the last decade along the globalism/nationalism dividing line. The factions that favor globalism seem to also favor American military empire (to keep the trade routes safe or whatever, I don’t know). I don’t trust republicans in Congress to actually do it. But it could be a historic opportunity for democrats to call their bluff and support the cuts. A once in a c…

Russia invading a country that was legitimately starting a new chapter in becoming more democratic is what changed my mind on military budgets.

However you want to frame globalism, nationalism, etc. I think it’s a perfectly rational reason to think, “huh, maybe it doesn’t just have to be pork barrel spending and to invade countries with oil…”

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