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When imperfect systems are good: Bluesky's lossy timelines

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Re: When imperfect systems are good: Bluesky's lossy timelines

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Post by pc86 »

listenallyall wrote: post #165
danielheath wrote: post #159

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... or perhaps they prioritize ensuring their consultants feel like they're being looked after - replacing them when they find another job is very expensive.

What part of my comment suggests consultants aren't "looked after?" The idea that the consultants' personal time is so low on the scale of priorities that the company prefers to pay 3x or 4x for plane tickets to ensure they are available to spend extra time with clients, rather than their families, suggests that the company is specifically NOT looking after the consultants' well-being.

That the consultants' personal time is high on the scale is why they pay for the flex-fare tickets. So you miss an 8pm flight for one reason or another - it happens, so "don't miss the flight" isn't a valid retort.

Do I feel better taken care of if I can just take the following morning's flight at no additional cost or hassle, or if I now need to contact someone at Amex Global Business Travel, have them try to get me on a flight, have another expense, potentially not be able to get on the next flight or the one after that, etc.

Re: When imperfect systems are good: Bluesky's lossy timelines

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Post by NikolaNovak »

listenallyall wrote: post #154
lhoff wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A friend of mine works for a Management Consultancy firm and they have full flex tickets if they miss the 8pm flight home they can take the next one or fly back the next morning. All without additional fees. So I believe business travel is the biggest factor when it comes to missed flights. Side note: His employer is the biggest client of a major European airline.

No additional fees, but the cost of the ticket is typically sky-high. In many cases the company could purchase 3 restricted-fare tickets for less than the unrestricted fare. (And also, the consultants want to get home, they HATE staying extra nights, so they have inherent motivation to catch the original flight). You'd think that management consulting firms, you know, who are supposed to be good at optimization and r…

* A massive bulk of flex rates is different price than a single flex ticket

* when I travelled to a single city with 20+ colleagues for several years, our nightly hotel rate was less than quarter of published rate. I don't think we got anything like that on Airlines, but nevertheless, bulk gets discounts.

* I forget details but between specific frequent cities which had hourly flights, we had full flexibility and we used this all the time. So we might catch a flight hour earlier if there was one available, or hour later if need be than booked.

Basically to everybody's point, business travel is very different than vacation travel and intuition from once a year personal trip don't apply.

Re: When imperfect systems are good: Bluesky's lossy timelines

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Post by pc86 »

artee_49 wrote: post #113
josefresco wrote: post #103

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What is the "no show" rate?

I think you'll have to pay a team millions to figure that out, it is unlikely to be a static rate but rather decided based on multiple traits like time of year, time of flight, distance of flight, cost of ticket, etc.

The airline has literally all of the data on this, they definitely do not have to pay a team millions.

Re: When imperfect systems are good: Bluesky's lossy timelines

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Post by verdverm »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #145
verdverm wrote: post #44

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Generally, yes. Currently, because Bluesky requires the use of their labeler if you use their app, this could happen. Two points of note 1. You can participate in Bluesky without the Bluesky app, so you can remove this requirement by using an alternative app 2. The most blocked account is blocked by around 0.25% of the full network ( https://clearsky.app/ ) This second point does not account for users banned from Blu…

> does not account for users banned from Bluesky by Bluesky for breaking the ToS or PDS abuse. Then you are missing the point. I am asking how much censorship power the largest node in the network has. If being blocked by the largest provider means 95% of users can't see me anymore then the situation is strictly worse than Mastodon vs ActivityPub-at-large.

What did you do to get banned? Most people who make this claim are unwilling to share the behavior that led to it. Bans are not arbitrary, nor is anyone obligated to host or show your speech

ATProto is young compared to the alternatives, give the network time to build out an ecosystem and the resilience we need.

Re: When imperfect systems are good: Bluesky's lossy timelines

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Post by verdverm »

immibis wrote: post #123
verdverm wrote: post #98

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Create an account you own instead of having someone else run it. Maybe you can get your data, maybe you can ask Bluesky for a review (there were bugs and scaling issues against bot networks that cause false positives) I'm not seeing that handle resolve in the normal places. Do you have the DID? You should use a custom domain so that you can control the the reference and lookup. You can run your own PDS and manage com…

So after you're banned from Bluesky you create another account on a different server and hope the admins of your original server, which still hosts all the people you want to follow, don't block your new account from interacting with their server? You said it was different from Mastodon, but how is this different from Mastodon?

I have my own domain already attached, I can point it at any server and my identity on the network remains the same.

When you use a *.bsky.social handle, you have not made yourself independent and resilient to arbitrary decision by the org that manages that service

Re: When imperfect systems are good: Bluesky's lossy timelines

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Post by mjcl »

listenallyall wrote: post #154
lhoff wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A friend of mine works for a Management Consultancy firm and they have full flex tickets if they miss the 8pm flight home they can take the next one or fly back the next morning. All without additional fees. So I believe business travel is the biggest factor when it comes to missed flights. Side note: His employer is the biggest client of a major European airline.

No additional fees, but the cost of the ticket is typically sky-high. In many cases the company could purchase 3 restricted-fare tickets for less than the unrestricted fare. (And also, the consultants want to get home, they HATE staying extra nights, so they have inherent motivation to catch the original flight). You'd think that management consulting firms, you know, who are supposed to be good at optimization and r…

They have figured it out, the client is paying for it.

Re: When imperfect systems are good: Bluesky's lossy timelines

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Post by aqueueaqueue »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #66

As a systems enthusiast I enjoy articles like this. It is really easy to get into the mindset of "this must be perfect". In the Blekko search engine back end we built an index that was 'eventually consistent' which allowed updates to the index to be propagated to the user facing index more quickly, at the expense that two users doing the exact same query would get slightly different results. If they kept doing those…

This is less a question of perfection and one of trade off's. Laws of physics put a limit on how efficiently you can keep data in NYC and London in perfect sync, so you choose CAP-style trade-offs. There are also $/SLO trade-offs. Each 9 costs more money.

I like your example it is very interesting. If I get to work on (or even hear someone in my team is working on) such interesting problems and I can hear about it, I get happy.

Interesting problems are rare because like a house you might talk about brick vs. Timber frame once, but you'll talk about cleaning the house every week!

Re: When imperfect systems are good: Bluesky's lossy timelines

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Post by listenallyall »

pc86 wrote: post #181
listenallyall wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What part of my comment suggests consultants aren't "looked after?" The idea that the consultants' personal time is so low on the scale of priorities that the company prefers to pay 3x or 4x for plane tickets to ensure they are available to spend extra time with clients, rather than their families, suggests that the company is specifically NOT looking after the consultants' well-being.

That the consultants' personal time is high on the scale is why they pay for the flex-fare tickets. So you miss an 8pm flight for one reason or another - it happens, so "don't miss the flight" isn't a valid retort. Do I feel better taken care of if I can just take the following morning's flight at no additional cost or hassle, or if I now need to contact someone at Amex Global Business Travel, have them try to get me…

The company can start with heavily-discounted restricted tickets and eat them when a consultant needs to extend the trip. Today it's even easier because airlines have eliminated change fees - so essentially any ticket can be canceled and those funds credited to a future flight. It's all still "no cost or hassle" to the consultant since they aren't paying for the flights to begin with.

Re: When imperfect systems are good: Bluesky's lossy timelines

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Post by listenallyall »

mjcl wrote: post #186
listenallyall wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No additional fees, but the cost of the ticket is typically sky-high. In many cases the company could purchase 3 restricted-fare tickets for less than the unrestricted fare. (And also, the consultants want to get home, they HATE staying extra nights, so they have inherent motivation to catch the original flight). You'd think that management consulting firms, you know, who are supposed to be good at optimization and r…

They have figured it out, the client is paying for it.

This is actually the most sensible response
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