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Migraine is more than a headache – a rethink offers hope

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Re: Migraine is more than a headache – a rethink offers hope

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Post by 3D30497420 »

xvedejas wrote: post #108
Foofoobar12345 wrote: post #99

I used to get frequent migraine attacks - there were times when I would be down 3 days in a week, just unable to be productive. A lot of it was induced by stress. I then tried something novel - I took some LSD. I had an intense psychedelic trip, dug deep into my psyche, realized I was a giant ball of anxiety. The anxiety's root cause was ultimately a fear of mortality (around the same time, my dad was going through a…

Even sub-psychedelic doses of tryptamines is known to have an effect on certain migraines and cluster headaches: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triptan

I take a triptan for mine (naratriptan) and it has helped. Certainly not a cure though.

Re: Migraine is more than a headache – a rethink offers hope

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Post by stuckonempty »

willy_k wrote: post #130
LeoPanthera wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Research says it's no more effective than a placebo, but hey, if it works, it works. https://headachejournal.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/...

> Research says it's no more effective than a placebo, but hey, if it works, it works. The paper you cited doesn’t say this, if anything it says the opposite. It found that it reliably works for some amount of time, but the mechanism is unclear. “In all case studies and the retrospective study, patients reported substantial reductions in pain immediately after daith piercing; however, headache symptoms recurred sever…

A piercing that takes months to heal and has its own potential side effects (infection for one) does not seem worth weeks of relief after which pain returns. The authors of this study therefore do not recommend this piercing for migraines despite the transitory benefits

“current evidence does not support daith piercing for the treatment of migraine, tension-type headaches, or other headache disorders.”

Re: Migraine is more than a headache – a rethink offers hope

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Post by alkonaut »

Lucky enough to get really quick relief from over the counter migraine meds (triptanes) at even tiny doses. Life changing when I realized I didn't have to do just obscene amounts of ibuprofen and coffee for pretty poor results, and even a half of these tiny pills worked.

Re: Migraine is more than a headache – a rethink offers hope

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Post by markx2 »

seattle_spring wrote: post #45
markx2 wrote: post #34

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Yes! I have worn various and my current are Airpods 2 Pro. The daith is discreet, does not get in the way of anything.

What about wearing a winter hat? I was considering getting one for the exact reasons as you, but I live in a pretty cold area and not being able to wear a hat for 6 months during its healing process is unfortunately a dealbreaker.

Unless the hat has a hard edge which sits right on top of the piercing you should be fine.

Re: Migraine is more than a headache – a rethink offers hope

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Post by willy_k »

stuckonempty wrote: post #142
willy_k wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Research says it's no more effective than a placebo, but hey, if it works, it works. The paper you cited doesn’t say this, if anything it says the opposite. It found that it reliably works for some amount of time, but the mechanism is unclear. “In all case studies and the retrospective study, patients reported substantial reductions in pain immediately after daith piercing; however, headache symptoms recurred sever…

A piercing that takes months to heal and has its own potential side effects (infection for one) does not seem worth weeks of relief after which pain returns. The authors of this study therefore do not recommend this piercing for migraines despite the transitory benefits “current evidence does not support daith piercing for the treatment of migraine, tension-type headaches, or other headache disorders.”

That’s very different from being equivalent to placebo. And according to anecdotes in this thread, it may be permanent in some cases.

Re: Migraine is more than a headache – a rethink offers hope

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Post by ulrikrasmussen »

xvedejas wrote: post #108
Foofoobar12345 wrote: post #99

I used to get frequent migraine attacks - there were times when I would be down 3 days in a week, just unable to be productive. A lot of it was induced by stress. I then tried something novel - I took some LSD. I had an intense psychedelic trip, dug deep into my psyche, realized I was a giant ball of anxiety. The anxiety's root cause was ultimately a fear of mortality (around the same time, my dad was going through a…

Even sub-psychedelic doses of tryptamines is known to have an effect on certain migraines and cluster headaches: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triptan

Can this family of drugs even give a psychedelic experience at higher doses? They are acting on 5-HT1B and 5-HT1D, not the 5-HT2A receptors that psychedelics act on.

Re: Migraine is more than a headache – a rethink offers hope

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Post by vasco »

tkzed49 wrote: post #119
Aurornis wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a counter-antidote: I know several people now who have experimented with psychedelics with the goal of addressing mental health issues who ended up significantly worse. One of them got stuck with a nagging feeling that the world wasn’t quite real that lasted for a very long time, which resulted in a lot of anxiety.

Depersonalization and derealization are truly awful. Having experienced them for non-psychedelic reasons, it's almost indescribable. Sometimes people say "seeing events in third person". My experience was that my consciousness and actions were completely disconnected from my observations of reality. Like, I questioned whether I had any influence at all over my existence. Basic, predictable events were suddenly uncert…

One wonders if that's how it actually is and the rest is just the brain fooling us into having control by way of rationalizing the actions we were going to do anyway.

Re: Migraine is more than a headache – a rethink offers hope

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Post by art0rz »

Reading this as I'm just coming down from a migraine. I've been getting them since I was a young teen. I get migraines with aura. They used to last for hours. Sometimes I get them multiple times per week, then they disappear for months/years and suddenly will get them again. No significant life or dietary changes in between. I've never been able to pin down what causes them.

These days they've become much more manageable. The aura and headache part takes 30-60 minutes as opposed to 5+ hours when I was a teen. I do experience brainfog, fatigue, dizzyness and nausea for 24+ hours afterwards, but at least I'm not stuck under the covers for hours.

Re: Migraine is more than a headache – a rethink offers hope

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Post by dmos62 »

Aurornis wrote: post #111
Foofoobar12345 wrote: post #99

I used to get frequent migraine attacks - there were times when I would be down 3 days in a week, just unable to be productive. A lot of it was induced by stress. I then tried something novel - I took some LSD. I had an intense psychedelic trip, dug deep into my psyche, realized I was a giant ball of anxiety. The anxiety's root cause was ultimately a fear of mortality (around the same time, my dad was going through a…

As a counter-antidote: I know several people now who have experimented with psychedelics with the goal of addressing mental health issues who ended up significantly worse. One of them got stuck with a nagging feeling that the world wasn’t quite real that lasted for a very long time, which resulted in a lot of anxiety.

There's something to be said about psychedelics and introversion in general being a two-edged sword. There's also something to be said about how we get into trouble when we consider beliefs or abstract feelings as something outside our control.

Re: Migraine is more than a headache – a rethink offers hope

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Post by encipriano »

vasco wrote: post #147
tkzed49 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depersonalization and derealization are truly awful. Having experienced them for non-psychedelic reasons, it's almost indescribable. Sometimes people say "seeing events in third person". My experience was that my consciousness and actions were completely disconnected from my observations of reality. Like, I questioned whether I had any influence at all over my existence. Basic, predictable events were suddenly uncert…

One wonders if that's how it actually is and the rest is just the brain fooling us into having control by way of rationalizing the actions we were going to do anyway.

We kinda know its like that dont we. Perhaps those who suffer such condition see throuh the abstractions our brain makes. Like seeing things in a rawer form that doesnt align well with more normative views of society.
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