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Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

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Re: Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

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I think projects like that would have been a godsend 2-3 decades ago, when even a basic oscilloscope costed as much as a used car. Nowadays, very good oscilloscopes with 200 MHz bandwidth, good user interfaces, and responsive displays are selling for $300 - I'm talking Siglent, Rigol, UNI-T. So the merits of DIYing something much worse just aren't quite there. It's that one piece of equipment you use to troubleshoot…

There is still a WIDE gap between $18 and $300.

Re: Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

#42

I think projects like that would have been a godsend 2-3 decades ago, when even a basic oscilloscope costed as much as a used car. Nowadays, very good oscilloscopes with 200 MHz bandwidth, good user interfaces, and responsive displays are selling for $300 - I'm talking Siglent, Rigol, UNI-T. So the merits of DIYing something much worse just aren't quite there. It's that one piece of equipment you use to troubleshoot…

> very good oscilloscopes with 200 MHz bandwidth, good user interfaces, and responsive displays are selling for $300

This is a very strong first world POV. Those U$D 300 rank pretty high across world's minimum salaries [1], not to mention that prices can very likely double in countries like my own.

Moreover, a large % of people that can really get a very good use of this (Kids in high school) usually have a lot less money at their disposal, and we are not getting into collaterals like building your own and learning how it works.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_minimum_w...

Re: Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

#43

I think projects like that would have been a godsend 2-3 decades ago, when even a basic oscilloscope costed as much as a used car. Nowadays, very good oscilloscopes with 200 MHz bandwidth, good user interfaces, and responsive displays are selling for $300 - I'm talking Siglent, Rigol, UNI-T. So the merits of DIYing something much worse just aren't quite there. It's that one piece of equipment you use to troubleshoot…

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Re: Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

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post #32

Mandatory caveat: beware of ground loops when using a USB oscilloscope! Most budget USB scopes share ground with your PC via the USB port. If you're probing high-voltage circuits (e.g., mains power, switching supplies), this can create a dangerous potential difference, risking damage to your computer or worse. Some scopes offer isolated inputs, but if yours doesn’t, use differential probes or an isolation transformer…

On a related note, I once fried the built in audio hardware of my laptop. I even saw smoke coming out one of the vents. The rest of the computer survived.

Re: Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there's a difference in options at $200/$20/$2 (see elsewhere in this thread) just in lowering the bar to entry to the point of triviality. I'm not spending $300 without knowing exactly what I want it for, $20 is easy, $2 is an impulse buy.

Fair enough, but on the flip side - you either want to get into electronics or not. If not, there's no real point in spending the money, even if it's $2. If you do, then you probably don't yet have an understanding of what features you need, and the cheapest option will actually hold you back. Some specific issues: first, the number of inputs. A lot of circuit debugging is about "let's see how signal A looks like whe…

Rich designed it with trigger IO pins to be able to easily chain them. While the UI doesn't support managing multiple Flea-Scopes at once, you can just open the UI multiple times, which does seem like a reasonable option to me.

As as others have pointed out before, there's just no alternatives in this form factor. The scope is tiny, and for what it is it packs quite a punch. 3.3V and 5V are standard logic levels which will suffice for quite a lot of basic probing. Being made for students, it does likely everything that would be required of it in an educational environment. How well this pans out in real-life we'll see soon.

Granted that with enough money and space at hand there are much better options out there.

Re: Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

#46

I think projects like that would have been a godsend 2-3 decades ago, when even a basic oscilloscope costed as much as a used car. Nowadays, very good oscilloscopes with 200 MHz bandwidth, good user interfaces, and responsive displays are selling for $300 - I'm talking Siglent, Rigol, UNI-T. So the merits of DIYing something much worse just aren't quite there. It's that one piece of equipment you use to troubleshoot…

The new Rigol DHO800 series are fabulous bargains for the money, and extremely well designed in a lot of ways:

- 12 bit ADC frontends

- Actually usable touchscreen inputs

- Super simple to drive remotely over a network connection (though getting the IP address with just the touchscreen is a little tricky)

- USB-C power input - you can run it from a battery pack if you like!

- All the essential decoders built in for free (I2C, SPI, UART)

- VESA Mountable - I got a monitor arm to gain back some desk space (awesome feature)

- Very, very easy to hack one of the budget models and upgrade it to a 250MHz model :D

Re: Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there's a difference in options at $200/$20/$2 (see elsewhere in this thread) just in lowering the bar to entry to the point of triviality. I'm not spending $300 without knowing exactly what I want it for, $20 is easy, $2 is an impulse buy.

Fair enough, but on the flip side - you either want to get into electronics or not. If not, there's no real point in spending the money, even if it's $2. If you do, then you probably don't yet have an understanding of what features you need, and the cheapest option will actually hold you back. Some specific issues: first, the number of inputs. A lot of circuit debugging is about "let's see how signal A looks like whe…

> you either want to get into electronics or not. If not, there's no real point in spending the money, even if it's $2

It's fuzzier than that; there are hobbies that look fun but I can't decide if I want to fully invest into them, but having a cheap, but not-great equipment is a good stepping stone. Besides, beginners won't have the skill to fully use fully-featured pro-level-gear. A cheap soldering iron is great for those looking to get their feet wet; sure the lack of precise temperature control can be a hinderance, but investing in an expensive soldering station is wasteful if one decides that it's not really for them.

Re: Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

#48
post #42

I think projects like that would have been a godsend 2-3 decades ago, when even a basic oscilloscope costed as much as a used car. Nowadays, very good oscilloscopes with 200 MHz bandwidth, good user interfaces, and responsive displays are selling for $300 - I'm talking Siglent, Rigol, UNI-T. So the merits of DIYing something much worse just aren't quite there. It's that one piece of equipment you use to troubleshoot…

> very good oscilloscopes with 200 MHz bandwidth, good user interfaces, and responsive displays are selling for $300 This is a very strong first world POV. Those U$D 300 rank pretty high across world's minimum salaries [1], not to mention that prices can very likely double in countries like my own. Moreover, a large % of people that can really get a very good use of this (Kids in high school) usually have a lot less…

I totally agree.

Want to keep a distractable 14 year old busy for an hour? Give him or her some wire, a cheap meter, a battery, some switches and LEDs. Want to possibly change that kid’s life? Give him the above, plus a scope, and hook it up to a music player playing his favorite song.

Re: Flea-Scope: $18 Source Available USB Oscilloscope, Logic Analyzer and More [pdf]

#49

I think projects like that would have been a godsend 2-3 decades ago, when even a basic oscilloscope costed as much as a used car. Nowadays, very good oscilloscopes with 200 MHz bandwidth, good user interfaces, and responsive displays are selling for $300 - I'm talking Siglent, Rigol, UNI-T. So the merits of DIYing something much worse just aren't quite there. It's that one piece of equipment you use to troubleshoot…

It’s a matter of perspective, though. For a white collar professional in the US? Sure. For most of the world’s population, the distinction between $300 and $18 is extremely consequential.

For the majority of humanity, it's several days' worth of wages vs several weeks or months.
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