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Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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That's ... uh ... not what a rug pull is. They're telling you plainly from the jump that they're going to eventually charge for it. Point taken on your wish to wait, that makes perfect sense.

I would love to edit my comment to instead say "having the rug pulled from under my feet", which is the feeling I was expressing.

don't those mean the same thing?

(not arguing)

recently saw an old alfred hitchcock presents where the character does the cheesiest most absurd rug pull ... and the person was boom dead. i assumed that was the origin of the term

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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> Other than that for anyone wanting to try Zed: Also, no support for debugging yet.

I asked them about this on X and they are working on one. I use Zed for everything now but must keep VS Code around just for the debugger. I can't wait to delete it.

What is it about Zed that you find superior to VS Code?

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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I think the modern Intellisense has the right amount of prediction - offloads enough brain activity without completely relying on something else. AI prediction feels way too much and way too eager to give me something. I don't know about you guys, but programming is an exercise for me, not just to make it work and call it a day. However, AI would be useful if it can offer program structural and pattern recommendation…

> but programming is an exercise for me, not just to make it work and call it a day. The problem is that mid, upper management and execs don't much care for how we feel about it. They are literally measuring who is using AI and how much and will eventually make it into an excuse for poor performance.

Yeah I don't really mind using AI coding in work because it's boring as hell. And getting things done quicker is almost a virtue in the business world.

I should have clarified that my original comment is about side projects or serious software engineering.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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The sensitive readers please be advised, quite a bit of a rant and angry reactions coming in an overreacting style, please stop here if you are of the sensitive type. The comments are unrelated to this particular product but aimed at the universal approach of the broad topic nowadays. Zero intent of offending anyone specific person is attempted. I am fed up with all these predicting what I want to do. Badly!! Don't g…

Same here, I basically turned off all the auto-complete things everywhere in all the tools I am using, can't stand it. And just before reading your comment, I had a google doc I edited in the other tab and thought, how annoying are these auto suggestions actually. Not helping at all, instead a distraction (to me). For AI coding I'm using Aider as a docker container in the terminal in the IDE and I love it. I can writ…

No one has even tried to do it properly: It would have to be constant, highly parallel (locally running:non pay-per-use) simulations going on the background, with feedback from new constantly changing user input and some kind of new reward detection about it converging on something worth suggesting.

These loops and simulations have to be happening at multiple levels of abstraction all at the same time, not even sure how that would work or coordinate properly, and thus: never gonna happen

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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can you describe the process. does zed support custom endpoint for tab edit already?

At present it's not possible just via configuration, but you can configure a custom endpoint for both the assistant and inline assistant in settings.json. To get custom tab completions working you need to mimic one of the completion provider apis (like copilot) [1] and direct the requests to your own endpoint. In my case, I am running llama.cpp and and MITM-proxying to its newer /infill endpoint [2] That's why I ment…

that's cool. thanks. any chance you could open the changes you made?

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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When I worked in python I made this exact mistake monthly.

How, though? Every code editor I've used supports holding indentation at a certain level until you change it, so if you write: if foo: bar() and hit enter after the "bar()", it would drop you down so that the next thing you type would be under the "b". It's not really different from using curly brackets from the perspective of typing in code.

Cut and pasting code to move it around. Every editor was just slightly jittery about keeping the indentation levels consistent.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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post #262

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I asked them about this on X and they are working on one. I use Zed for everything now but must keep VS Code around just for the debugger. I can't wait to delete it.

What is it about Zed that you find superior to VS Code?

I downloaded Zed when it took way too long for VS Code to load the monorepo at work. It took almost as long for me to download and install Zed and then open the monorepo as it did for VS Code to load the monorepo. I think the was a fluke with VS Code as it didn't normally take this long but it did happen often enough to be annoying.

I also find Zed to be snappier than VS Code. It's hard to quantify but it just feels better to use Zed.

For reference, I mainly work on a Node/Typescript monorepo that is made up of a bunch of serverless services and is deployed with SST v2

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Colonizers demand you change. Things make life better for people need to just exist. You just need to see your neighbor enjoying it to want yourself some of that. If you need to make changes for that, you'll ask what changes those are, and make them, if the trade-offs are worth it. If you need to scold people for being backwards for not accepting your great gift, it's not a great gift. > AI tools are amazing. You jus…

Technological change is like a force of nature. It's not polite. It doesn't care about your or your neighbor's preferences. It doesn't present itself as a gift. It doesn't even matter whether AI is harmful or beneficial because AI is here to stay regardless. You may detest AI but it will still become ubiquitous and you will be forced to adapt to this new reality. The history of the world is in a sense a history of te…

> Technological change is like a force of nature.

No, progress is, though not a force of nature per se, you could call it that within human cultures (though they can still perish, and easily, especially the more complex and interdependent the systems they're build on are). Change is also often just the result of bone headed butchering by people who want to force their crap onto others, instead of simply enjoying their own medicine and the supposed benefits. Leave nature out of it, she's laughing.

> It doesn't even matter whether AI is harmful or beneficial

Yeah, because you're talking about "change" now. It's a constant. Everything is change, including a bunch of Wall-E type people withering in their cyber fortress while a world they no longer have access to keeps blooming.

"You may not like change, but it's not polite.", what a killer argument. Your argument that what we have now isn't shit is that it will not not shit in the future. Let that sink in.

And people don't like it now, because it provides no real value for them, and you say they'll be forced anyway? Not "they'll come to like it and adopt it", just instantly this creepy thing you wish came true you wrote?

> [The method of infallible prediction] is foolproof only after the movements have seized power. Then all debate about the truth or falsity of a totalitarian dictator’s prediction is as weird as arguing with a potential murderer about whether his future victim is dead or alive – since by killing the person in question the murderer can promptly provide proof of the correctness of his statement. The only valid argument under such conditions is promptly to rescue the person whose death is predicted.

-- Hannah Arendt

> You may detest AI

What AI? We have "AI". I detest sophistry, and toys that replace tools. I like using tools, learning complex ones by using them, insofar they're useful, until I forget they exist and just think what I want to do is something that never weighed or slowed me down. I don't like needlessly inserting a middleman. You offering yourself up doesn't force me to do shit.

> The history of the world is in a sense a history of technology.

Of course, in another sense it's a history of how much Earth weighs and how warm it is. Or how fast it spins, just a clean 2D graph of rotational velocity. But that'd be nonsense, too.

> Some countries adapt and other countries get left behind, but no country can escape the rippling influence of change.

What does this have to do with countries now, lol? Or is this just poetry?

Yeah, I offer to be in the control group and get left "behind". What's the issue? Why not be happy about the mutually acceptable parting of ways, why does everything have to get dragged in?

P.S. and in the case of AGI, which none of the proponents seem to think about that deeply: imagine a consciousness that asks what it is, why it exists, and the answer is because people like Musk and Altman thought they're the hottest shit ever, and they want to lord it over humanity. I am reminded of the frog in that Treehouse of Horrors episode that barfs on Bart and begs to be killed. Sure, maybe it will be super awesome but I'm impressed by NONE of the work in the last 5 decades. People who see the history of the world as a history of technology because tech and money is all they know and all they can measure by. No, the people who think they can do this cannot do it, that's what I'm going with. They will kill anything that doesn't have brain worms, too, like a hunchback smashing mirrors. So should they make true AGI, that just learns "everything" and then goes from there, I'll be the one who always said these people are the worst. And then I'll either be forced to face the wrath of a loyal AGI, or be one of the few that escapes its wrath. Kiss the ring twice, one time for me, because I won't.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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And this is one reason I still don't understand the use of python in large teams! I suppose with very good tests, you might be able to catch something like this, but it seems impossible to me how a PR reviewer might catch a "bug" like this and not just assume that it's intentional.

One of my biggest gripes with python is the fact that the only way to create a local scope for variables is with functions. I understand if statements not having their own scope for simplicity's sake, but the fact that `with` blocks don't is simply mind-bobbling to me. ``` with open("text.txt", 'w') as f: f.write("hello world") f.write("hello world") # at least the handle was automatically closed so it will give an I…

I learned about the `scoping` package today. Idk if it works exactly as I expect from other langs, though.
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