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Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by rafaelmn »

lionkor wrote: post #47

> Edit prediction won't be free forever, but right now we're just excited to share and learn. I love Zed, and I'm happy to pay for AI stuff, but I won't be using this until they are done with their rug pull. Once I know how much it costs, I can decide if I want to try integrating it into my workflow. Only THEN will I want to try it, and would be interested in a limited free trial, even just 24 hours. Considering I've…

>Remote editing does not work on Windows (its not implemented at all), so if you are on windows, you cannot ssh into anything with the editor remote editing feature. This means you cannot use your PC as a thin client to the actual chunky big work machine like you can with vscode.

Does this work on anything other than VSCode ? I have been trying to use JetBrains stuff for this but it has been bad for years with little improvement. Honestly JetBrains feels like they are falling behind further and further in terms of adapting to providing a modern workflow - bad remote work, bad gen AI integration. I'm using VS code even where I wouldn't consider it before because of this, and I would like to see what the alternatives have to offer because VSCode is not perfect either.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by taurknaut »

gizmo wrote: post #48
mihaaly wrote: post #39

The sensitive readers please be advised, quite a bit of a rant and angry reactions coming in an overreacting style, please stop here if you are of the sensitive type. The comments are unrelated to this particular product but aimed at the universal approach of the broad topic nowadays. Zero intent of offending anyone specific person is attempted. I am fed up with all these predicting what I want to do. Badly!! Don't g…

If you fight the system you're not going to have a good time. For incremental improvements (faster grep, mixed-language syntax highlighting) you get the benefits for free. You don't have to change anything about the way you work. Revolutionary/disruptive technologies are not like that. They demand that the world adapts to them. They demand you change. Almost anywhere you can go by foot you can get faster with a horse…

To be disruptive you need layoffs. Where is all this labor that can be replaced with chatbots?

I, personally, strongly hate cars and think they're moronic. Sometimes revolutions aren't a good thing.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by celdon25 »

diodak wrote: post #81
lionkor wrote: post #47

> Edit prediction won't be free forever, but right now we're just excited to share and learn. I love Zed, and I'm happy to pay for AI stuff, but I won't be using this until they are done with their rug pull. Once I know how much it costs, I can decide if I want to try integrating it into my workflow. Only THEN will I want to try it, and would be interested in a limited free trial, even just 24 hours. Considering I've…

Hey, my name is Piotr and I work on language servers at Zed. Right now you can run multiple language servers in a single project. Admittedly you cannot have multiple instances of a single language server in a single worktree (e.g. two rust-analyzers) - I am working on that right now, as this is a common pain point for users with monorepos. I would love to hear more about the problems you are having with running langu…

I'm curious if you've given thought to improving json-schema support. Zed just packages VSCode's implementation (https://github.com/zed-industries/json-language-server ), which is generally decent, but hasn't been able to keep up with the spec, and I doubt they ever will at this point (Example: https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/165219).

The newer specs for json-schema (not supported by VSCode) allow for a wider range of data requirements to be supported by a schema without that schema resorting to costly workarounds. VSCode's level of support for this is decent, but is still a pain point as it creates a sort of artificial restriction on the layout of your data that you're able to have without unexpected development costs. This of course can lead to missed estimates and reduced morale.

I understand that very few developers are directly producing and maintaining schemas. Those schemas do have an impact on most developers though. I think this is a problem that is being sadly overlooked, and I hope you can consider changing the status quo.

Love the company name btw, sounds similar to my own Nuzz Industries (not a real company, just a tag I've slapped onto some projects occasionally as a homage to Page Industries from Deus Ex).

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

#105

Post by hnfong »

walthamstow wrote: post #95

Of all the AI aids, autocomplete is my least favourite, at least from my experience with Cursor anyway. It takes me longer to review the autocomplete (I ain't yoloing it in) than it would have done to type the damn thing out. Loving Cursor's cmd+k workflow though, very productive.

It really depends on what you're using the code for. AI generated code is great for quick and dirty stuff you're going to throw away.

For example yesterday I wanted to read a small csv and dump the contents of the second column of each row into a separate text file. I took a quick glance at the AI generated python code and just ran it.

Saved me maybe 10 minutes of typing the code myself. Small and trivial win for AI, but it's still useful.

I do agree for production code it might turn out to be a net negative since AI is pretty good at producing code that looks fine but has subtle problems.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by DemetriousJones »

yurishimo wrote: post #71
oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't indentation 'non deterministic' in Python? E.g. if I have the following: if (foo): bar() hum() how can anything other than a human decide if that 3rd line should be indented as it is or by one more level?

And this is one reason I still don't understand the use of python in large teams! I suppose with very good tests, you might be able to catch something like this, but it seems impossible to me how a PR reviewer might catch a "bug" like this and not just assume that it's intentional.

One of my biggest gripes with python is the fact that the only way to create a local scope for variables is with functions.

I understand if statements not having their own scope for simplicity's sake, but the fact that `with` blocks don't is simply mind-bobbling to me. ``` with open("text.txt", 'w') as f: f.write("hello world") f.write("hello world") # at least the handle was automatically closed so it will give an IO error ```

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by rootnod3 »

urschrei wrote: post #80
mstade wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> - You can only run one LSP per file type, so your Rust will work fine, your C++, too, your Angular will not. As a web developer that's an immediate deal breaker. I use Sublime today and being able to run multiple LSP servers per file is a huge boon, it turns a very capable text editor into a total powerhouse. The way it's set up in Sublime with configuration options that can be applied very broadly or very specific…

I'm not a regular Zed user, but this isn't true: I simultaneously ran the Ruff and Pyright LSPs when I used it last week.

In the same file?

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by DemetriousJones »

DemetriousJones wrote: post #106
yurishimo wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And this is one reason I still don't understand the use of python in large teams! I suppose with very good tests, you might be able to catch something like this, but it seems impossible to me how a PR reviewer might catch a "bug" like this and not just assume that it's intentional.

One of my biggest gripes with python is the fact that the only way to create a local scope for variables is with functions. I understand if statements not having their own scope for simplicity's sake, but the fact that `with` blocks don't is simply mind-bobbling to me. ``` with open("text.txt", 'w') as f: f.write("hello world") f.write("hello world") # at least the handle was automatically closed so it will give an I…

Sorry for the borked code formatting

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

#109

Post by rootnod3 »

celdon25 wrote: post #104
nurumaik wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need more debugging if you have AI

I'm sure we'll see a microbubble in this space before long.

Oh hell yeah, an AI driven debugger that hallucinates memory values and instruction pointer positions.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by rootnod3 »

ubercore wrote: post #90
lionkor wrote: post #47

> Edit prediction won't be free forever, but right now we're just excited to share and learn. I love Zed, and I'm happy to pay for AI stuff, but I won't be using this until they are done with their rug pull. Once I know how much it costs, I can decide if I want to try integrating it into my workflow. Only THEN will I want to try it, and would be interested in a limited free trial, even just 24 hours. Considering I've…

You can definitely run more than one LSP with zed -- can you elaborate on the angular case that gives you trouble?

I think the point is: "per file". Sure you an run a Rust LSP in one file and a JS LSP in another, but you can't drive both in the same file.
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