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The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

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Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

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Post by dangus »

crooked-v wrote: post #52
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #49

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They have that now in movie theaters that simulcast stage performances.

Sure, but there's a huge visceral difference between looking at a screen versus "being there" in what your brain interprets as, for example, a small black-box theater with a stage in the middle.

Yeah but a movie costs $10-20 retail and costs much less to deliver technologically speaking.

All that fancy “you’re really there” technology costs a lot more with diminishing returns on the running costs.

Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

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Post by PaulHoule »

tjohns wrote: post #23
cma wrote: post #6

I feel like table top stuff isn't a good fit with the heavy weight of the apple headset when you have to tilt your head down, party from the fairly low vertical field of view.

This seems to be very subjective. I can wear the Apple Vision Pro headset for hours without it feeling uncomfortably heavy. I'm not sure if that's because I just happen to have a good light seal fit, or if it's because I spend a lot of time in VR on other platforms and am more used to it?

Depends also on how you sit.

If you've got straight posture sitting in an office chair the weight of the headset is not cantilevered.

If it is the end of the day and you want to splay out on the couch and watch TV or play games it's a different thing entirely.

Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

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Post by harmmonica »

asadotzler wrote: post #56
harmmonica wrote: post #50

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Anyone able to explain the technical reason this doesn't exist yet? Maybe technically feasible but NBA thinks it would cannibalize tickets sales? If it did (does?) exist it would be nice if it could be "all" courtside views (pick the one you want or switch between them as you're watching). And when I say all it doesn't have to be literally every seat, but there could be one at each baseline and then maybe one each si…

Yes, because no one is going to spend the money to add another 30-60 cameras to the NBA broadcast platform to cater to fewer than 100K Vision Pro users. Even Quest's 10M actives doesn't come close to warranting that kind of financial outlay.

Ok, it's totally technically feasible today, but the return is not there given the lack of viewership. If you can expand a little on the 30-60 cameras so I can understand better, is that to stitch together the various views when a AVP user moves their head? Or were you using that number to represent the number of viewpoints on the floor? Like if it was only one view at the scorer's table, do I understand you would need multiple cameras for one view?

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Post by gameman144 »

medlazik wrote: post #27
graypegg wrote: post #19

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Honestly want to understand your viewpoint here, is your corcern the resource consumption used in producing VR headsets, this NBA application, or something more general like all computing?

Absolutely everything related to this article except the sport itself. All innovation from now on should go through a committee of scientists and randomly selected individuals to avoid such fucking stupid ""innovations"" to ever exist.

This is super interesting to me -- I would expect that this world view would object to the comparatively extreme infrastructure and capital requirements of professional sports and other in-world consumption, vs. the relatively small outlays for digital consumption.

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Post by itishappy »

graypegg wrote: post #21
itishappy wrote: post #9

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Of course the real thing is better, but is that really an argument against broadcasts?

I think they're talking about a VR POV that's courtside more like a normal VR experience, rather than this perspective "above" the stadium

Oh. Fair concern, but it does that too.

> Tabletop shows in addition to the 2D livestream view you see floating in front of you as a large virtual screen, giving you the benefits of both.

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Post by bikezen »

crooked-v wrote: post #52
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have that now in movie theaters that simulcast stage performances.

Sure, but there's a huge visceral difference between looking at a screen versus "being there" in what your brain interprets as, for example, a small black-box theater with a stage in the middle.

Theres places like https://www.cosm.com/the-experience that have a spherical view and seating right up close that do live sports and concerts that are more engaging than a normal flat screen.

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Post by moron4hire »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #44
0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #17

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I am struggling to come up with some mainstream uses for this. Sports, concerts, plays, etc are something that could theoretically be used on a recurring basis to entice the public. My only nerd imaginations are something like a WH40k game. Watch a MOBA in 3D. Fortnite. Maybe a few historical events? This was the moon landing configuration. The view from the grassy knoll to Kennedy.

DoD is soon getting its Enemy of the State wish fulfilled with pervasive targeted imaging from VLEO. Projecting that realtime imagery in 3D would be icing on the cake.

DoD won't do it with any of these consumer headsets, though, because you can't get anything wireless approved for use in a SCIF. And no, they won't even consider doing anything outside of the SCIF.

VR/AR for DoD is a dead end, unless you have a deep personal relationship with some random Air Force Colonel who is willing to personally walk all your work through all the paperwork on the promise of a board seat when he retires.

-signed, former DoD-targeted VR consultant

Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

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Post by oakesm9 »

joezydeco wrote: post #60
0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #17

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I am struggling to come up with some mainstream uses for this. Sports, concerts, plays, etc are something that could theoretically be used on a recurring basis to entice the public. My only nerd imaginations are something like a WH40k game. Watch a MOBA in 3D. Fortnite. Maybe a few historical events? This was the moon landing configuration. The view from the grassy knoll to Kennedy.

I'd be interested in using it for auto racing. Usually the tracks are too large to see all at once, the cars are going by too fast to track, and in most cases both apply. Especially if you could zoom in on areas of interest as they happen.

Lapz is basically that for F1 races on the Vision Pro https://youtu.be/Z9OlYcfLmTY?si=k0bFAeMFl0bHEVx3

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Post by Jare »

oakesm9 wrote: post #69
joezydeco wrote: post #60

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I'd be interested in using it for auto racing. Usually the tracks are too large to see all at once, the cars are going by too fast to track, and in most cases both apply. Especially if you could zoom in on areas of interest as they happen.

Lapz is basically that for F1 races on the Vision Pro https://youtu.be/Z9OlYcfLmTY?si=k0bFAeMFl0bHEVx3

According to the article, was.
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